TheDevilMadeMe
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Re: Jagr, I don't mind him getting in really, but the gap between him and Mikita is a bit puzzling, considering the case for both (prime regular season point production) is similar.
Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Voting Results (Part 1)
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sr edler
gold is not reality
- Mar 20, 2010
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Right. Edmonton Oilers and New York Oilers.
MXD
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- Oct 27, 2005
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Bourque was basically putting a magnifying glass over each and all of Potvin's flaws.
Dennis Bonvie
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Jacques Plante with 6 firsts and 5 blanks. Not a good look for us voters. Especially considering Plante is hardly a controversial player.
Surprised Nighbor didn't get in considering the glowing reviews. (I had him 8th)
How good was Bobby Orr that he could make an average player like Esposito into a record shattering scoring machine?
Very pleased to see Potvin get in.
Dennis Bonvie
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You are about the 4th person to state this.
Denis Potvin was a special player. Don't think many realize how good he was. Of course, the huge emphasis on longevity this time around did him no favors. I had him #1 this round.
Nick Hansen
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Sentinel
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Because I've been specifically instructed to "lay off the Lidstrom vs. Bourque argument" and therefore lost interest.
Naturally I disagree with much of the placing. Not as much as before because the damage is mostly done. Plante is the worst offender; but given the endless 50s Habs love, it's not at all surprising. I still hope to keep in it (it's been hard with my endless travels), but much of my enthusiasm has vaporized.
Sentinel
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One day we can simply make a list that is based entirely on peak (possibly with prime) and ignores longevity altogether. So we can see how good, you know, a player actually was. Yes, it will hurt Lidstrom, but at least Hasek will be right where he should be.
MXD
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Plante went too low, if anything. I mean, the most substantial argument brought against him went along the lines of "Hur Durrr Montreal Canadiens hurr durr". Most of the points for him were brought in V3.
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The Macho King
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I'm happy with Potvin too. I pushed hard for him. I think he was *the* driver of a great dynasty - so far every other major post-war dynasty has been represented (Toronto w/ Kelly right before him technically), and I don't think that's a bad placement for Potvin at all. (EDIT: Forgot about the 70s Habs not being represented yet, but I'm pretty comfortable saying Potvin > Lafleur)
To the "needs moar longevity" crowd - Potvin did as much with his shorter longevity (but still plenty long peak/prime? Seriously what - 10 season prime and we're going to say he lacked "longevity" because he didn't drag his corpse around until he was 40?) as anyone else on this part of the list did with their careers.
There wasn't a good argument against him, but it was more that there were question marks that it was impossible to get a good answer to. I mean - he's clearly ahead of Hall and he ended up going the vote before him, so I think it's okay. Funny I think I had him at that exact spot in my initial list but I think I had him 6th or 7th on my list, but I definitely don't have issues with his placement.
sr edler
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Captain Bowie
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Anxiously waiting for this weeks results.
I am expecting Nighbor, Messier, Lafleur, Brodeur, and either Mikita or Ovechkin. That order more or less.
I fully expect a Soviet forward coming up next, as well as a few Centers from a range of different era's. There's a couple Wingers that might be due, but could see them waiting another round. Would be surprised to see a defenceman next round.
I am expecting Nighbor, Messier, Lafleur, Brodeur, and either Mikita or Ovechkin. That order more or less.
I fully expect a Soviet forward coming up next, as well as a few Centers from a range of different era's. There's a couple Wingers that might be due, but could see them waiting another round. Would be surprised to see a defenceman next round.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
I'm hoping for no Brodeur. Not because I don't think it's time (though I don't), but I feel like we're just getting started really talking about him. I've been holding off since last night because there was no sense posting anymore with most votes cast.
Captain Bowie
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- Jan 18, 2012
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While I feel he deserves to go in, and feel he has been talked about lots, I agree there is still a lot more there to dig deeper into, so I wouldn't be too upset if he hung around another week.
VanIslander
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The only thing you could take to the bank is that Sawchuk won't be inducted. You can bet the farm on that.
Dr John Carlson
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Michael Farkas
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VanIslander
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Sorry sir. We're all out of Habs at the moment. Would an Isles or Avs forward do?
ChiTownPhilly
Not Too Soft
Well, why not play the speculation game, while Palm Beach County does its thing. [But seriously- I saw there was at least one late submission for the Vote. I'm sure that didn't help matters...]
1) I think Robinson comes aboard now. 2) So should Cyclone Taylor, whom I have as the top NA forward not yet nominated. 3) With Fetisov standing last round, can Makarov be far behind?? Strong BPA-case, utterly independent of the leftovers. 4/5) Trottier/Bossy. People think of these players as a pair. I know I do. I can't help myself, dammit.
Should be a good nomination round. As I look at my list, I don't see anyone ranked 40 or below whom I believe has a chance of standing next round. Lowest-position dark-horse is Sakic, who could come 'round as part of our ongoing theme of Center-Lust. [Plus- he's a popular HoH flavor.] That's all right, we've had worse nominees already.
Some reasoned surmises there, no doubt. We DO seem to love nominating Centers-- and there are enough of them in conversation-range that I could easily see it.
Robinson, to me, would have been an "on-time" nomination last round. If nominated this round, he would merit immediate consideration... UNLESS we leave the wrong leftovers on the table from the round we're just wrapping up. I have a nomination "wish," or two, that I believe has no chance in hell of being fulfilled- so I'll just stick to speculation:
1) I think Robinson comes aboard now. 2) So should Cyclone Taylor, whom I have as the top NA forward not yet nominated. 3) With Fetisov standing last round, can Makarov be far behind?? Strong BPA-case, utterly independent of the leftovers. 4/5) Trottier/Bossy. People think of these players as a pair. I know I do. I can't help myself, dammit.
Should be a good nomination round. As I look at my list, I don't see anyone ranked 40 or below whom I believe has a chance of standing next round. Lowest-position dark-horse is Sakic, who could come 'round as part of our ongoing theme of Center-Lust. [Plus- he's a popular HoH flavor.] That's all right, we've had worse nominees already.
MXD
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Anyone not named Robinson or Makarov would be something of an afterthought as far as I'm concerned. Not that there wouldn't be some other good candidates at this point (Dryden, Clancy, Chelios, Cook comes to mind), but I dont see any of these making a serious dent. They'd look better than Sawchuk, and that's mostly it.
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MXD
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It's five new players next round, unless I got my numbers wrong. I honestly think six amongst the four players you named + Larry Robinson and Bill Cook will be up for voting.
MXD
Original #4
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@quoipourquoi , would you please head to the bathroom so as to disclose the results? 
