Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time (The Third)

[Dennis Bonvie]

It's not a matter of believing what I want, it's about accepting reality

Except that you seem to have no idea about the reality of hockey in the 1960s.

 

[Neutrinos]

Except that you seem to have no idea about the reality of hockey in the 1960s.

And you seem to have no idea about the reality of hockey in the modern era

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

And you seem to have no idea about the reality of hockey in the modern era

You win, buddy.

You're too clever for me.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

why?

 

[Neutrinos]

You win, buddy.

You're too clever for me.

I'm too clever for everyone, but that's not what we're here to discuss

You've been exceptionally single-minded in your pursuit to discredit the validity of my opinion by offering up nothing more than dismissive comments directed towards my understanding of the game, rather than providing anything substantial to counter my argument

It's not what I would consider a constructive, thought-provoking contribution to the conversation

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Am I missing something? Why is Mikita not in the same class as Malkin and Forsberg?

Mikita aside, Forsberg isn’t in Malkin’s class himself.

 

[The Panther]

Mikita aside, Forsberg isn’t in Malkin’s class himself.

Wait... WHAT?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Wait... WHAT?

Are you surprised?

Malkin has a markedly better resume, and is still adding.

 

[The Panther]

Are you surprised?

Malkin has a markedly better resume, and is still adding.

All opinions welcome, but your statement that Forsberg "wasn't in Malkin's class" is absurd.

 

[bobholly39]

Are you surprised?

Malkin has a markedly better resume, and is still adding.

You can have Malkin ahead but they're pretty comparable

Same "class/tier".

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You can have Malkin ahead but they're pretty comparable

Same "class/tier".

They're in the same class.

But Forsberg was the better player.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Consensus says they were near identical when this project was done.

So the simple question is: has Malkin added anything in the past 4 years to change his ranking?

 

[Neutrinos]

Mikita aside, Forsberg isn’t in Malkin’s class himself.

Are you surprised?

Malkin has a markedly better resume, and is still adding.

After a closer look at their career stats, it's possible they're not in the same class...

Forsberg

Regular season
977 adj. points in 708 games
1.38 adj. PPG = 113 points per 82 games

Playoffs
171 points in 151 games
1.13 PPG = 93 points per 82 games


Malkin

Regular season
1271 adj. points in 981 games
1.29 adj. PPG = 106 points per 82 games

Playoffs
180 points in 177 games
1.02 PPG = 83 points per 82 games

 

[TheGoldenJet]

All opinions welcome, but your statement that Forsberg "wasn't in Malkin's class" is absurd.

What a lazy, useless reply.

Next.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

You can have Malkin ahead but they're pretty comparable

Same "class/tier".

That would depend on one’s own definition of “tier”.

For me that may not be as broad as for some, but I view Malkin as having enough of a body of work to clearly set him apart from the Forsberg tier of forwards.

 

[wetcoast]

After a closer look at their career stats, it's possible they're not in the same class...

Forsberg

Regular season
977 adj. points in 708 games
1.38 adj. PPG = 113 points per 82 games

Playoffs
171 points in 151 games
1.13 PPG = 93 points per 82 games


Malkin

Regular season
1271 adj. points in 981 games
1.29 adj. PPG = 106 points per 82 games

Playoffs
180 points in 177 games
1.02 PPG = 83 points per 82 games

So Foppa has the edge offensively and there is zero question about who was the better 2 way player right?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

After a closer look at their career stats, it's possible they're not in the same class...

Forsberg

Regular season
977 adj. points in 708 games
1.38 adj. PPG = 113 points per 82 games

Playoffs
171 points in 151 games
1.13 PPG = 93 points per 82 games


Malkin

Regular season
1271 adj. points in 981 games
1.29 adj. PPG = 106 points per 82 games

Playoffs
180 points in 177 games
1.02 PPG = 83 points per 82 games

Comparing points per game across different eras will often lead new enthusiasts astray.

One might mistakenly conclude that Forsberg was a better player than Gordie Howe by doing so.

 

[Neutrinos]

Comparing points per game across different eras will often lead new enthusiasts astray.

One might mistakenly conclude that Forsberg was a better player than Gordie Howe by doing so.

I used adjusted regular season points to account for their respective eras

And I would most certainly conclude that Forsberg was a better player than Gordie Howe

 

[jigglysquishy]

I'm glad we no longer have to debate these as we can just rank players by their birth years.

 

[bobholly39]

I'm glad we no longer have to debate these as we can just rank players by their birth years.

Crosby > Ovechkin.

We finally have proof.

 

[sr edler]

Malkin has a markedly better resume, and is still adding.

Not sure Malkin is adding a ton of substance at this point, much like Forsberg didn't add much when he was with Nashville or whatever late stint he had with Colorado. Penguins have won 1 playoff round in the last five years and Malkin's had some underwhelming showings, and he's never been that great defensively.

 

[wetcoast]

Not sure Malkin is adding a ton of substance at this point, much like Forsberg didn't add much when he was with Nashville or whatever late stint he had with Colorado. Penguins have won 1 playoff round in the last five years and Malkin's had some underwhelming showings, and he's never been that great defensively.

Malkin in the last 4 years has scored at a 1.10 PPG rate good for 18th in the NHL over that time period aged 32-36.

Sure he hasn't been great defensively and his playoff resume isn't great, although he was still driving play just a bit unlucky with counting stats, it still is a positive to be able to do these things as an 32-36 year old in the current NHL.

He has already baked his cake but it sweetens it a bit with the icing.

That being said I would still rank Foppa ahead of him all time as he was just a more impactful 200 foot player.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Really a shame the Rangers cheapshotted crosby this year. The Penguins were in full control until he went out. He was playing lights out and could have potential adding another brilliant playoff run

 

[Michael Farkas]

Had a really nice weekend outdoors, just checking on the last two or so pages of this thread. I am now having a bad day.

One of the "outlandish" remarks in there though, I could kinda get behind was that Mikita is probably a little overrated by his resume. I haven't really watched him closely in a while, but I think I recall going, "oh...that's it?" not that he's bad or anything, I think I just expected a greater impact. Not as bad Norm Ullman looks relative to his resume, but still, wasn't as great as I was hoping if I recall...

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Comparing points per game across different eras will often lead new enthusiasts astray.

One might mistakenly conclude that Forsberg was a better player than Gordie Howe by doing so.

And I would most certainly conclude that Forsberg was a better player than Gordie Howe

My case in point.