Discussion in 'Russia' started by MaxV, Jan 11, 2007.
Do you guys agree?
A good one. However mine would be:
I agree with you completely on 1-9, but I'm not crazy about Krutov at #10.
I'd probably go with either Bure, Fedorov or Larionov.
Larianov gets my vote. Just a great setup man. I watched him with the Canucks and loved his play. The whole KLM line has to be included.
Here's my personal top 10:
1. Tretiak.....Top 5 goaltender of all time. Period.
2. Kharlamov....His skills were Light Years ahead of his time, by any standards.
3. Fetisov....Arguably the best D-Man of his time (post-Orr).
4. Firsov....A player with a physical style, who also had great skills. One of the hardest shooters in the history of hockey.
5. Makarov....A VERY underrated player. A lot of people forget that he played in the NHL also, and played VERY well. One of the best forwards of his time, and he played in the same time as Lemieux, Gretzky and Messier. He could very well be the most talented Russian player of all time (he was bigger then Kharlamov and faster then Firsov).
6. Vasiliev....Another VERY underrated player, who was also a great one. He was an EXCELLENT all-around D-man.
7. Bobrov....The first Russian superstar. Perhaps, he's too low on my list, as he was a great player in his own right. A 2-sport athlete who was also one of the best Russian soccer players of all time.
8. Maltsev....Another one who seems to be kinda low on this list. Throughout his career he's been overshadowed by other great Russian players, but he too had GREAT ability.
9. Mikhailov....He wasn't as flashy as some other Russian forwards, but he could very well be the most accomplished of them. All-time Soviet scoring leader, his physical style of play reminded many of NHL players more so then other Russian forwards of his time.
10. Larionov....This one accomplished almost everything there is to accomplish in hockey. World Championships: Check. Olympic Gold: Check. Long and productive NHL career: Check. Stanley Cups: Check.
#10 was a tough decision, as I think a case could be made for Fedorov, Bure and Krutov.
I hope someday Ovechkin, Malkin and other young Russians could be mentioned on this list.
I think Starshinov should have made the top ten easily. He was amazing.
It's very hard to compile this list, as the history of Soviet/Russian hockey is rich with great players.
Just before the Russia-Canada series started, my Dad and I sat at the kitchen table and talked about it. We both agreed the Russians had no goaltending (that was the published report, honest) and that the Canadian team would dominate with superior size and strength. I remember we both agreed Frank Mahovlich would be the best player because he had that size and booming shot.
I also remember in the middle of G1, my Dad saying something like "Mahovlich isn't even the best LWer" and we laughed. Kharlamov was tremendous, although we weren't laughing much by the time they hit Vancouver.
The other thing I remember is a MacLean's magazine cartoon. It was of Foster Hewitt announcing a CAN-RUS game and trying to pronounce Cournoyer's name. He said "And it's Courn..Corney....Cornwhy...anyway Tsygankov just scored."
Major kick in the junk for us Canadians.
Yeap, Canadians sent 2 scouts to see Tretiak in action. They ended up seeing only one of his games, in which he gave up 8 goals. They came back saying that he was AWFUL.
The Russians failed to tell them, that a night prior to that game Tretiak was out drinking and partying after his wedding.
BTW, when we (Russians) are out drinking and partying, it takes us a week or so to get us back on our feet.
BTW, Lowetide, I'm VERY envious of you. By seeing those Summit Series games, you might have witnessed some of the best hockey games in the history of the sport.
I heard Tretiak say in an interview that he was getting married the next day and he was very nervous that's why he gave up 8 goals...Anyway, just a detail.
This is the official story:
So I was right, he was getting married the next day
Yes, but I was right that he didn't play well because he had a hangover.
Go Pavel! He's my favorite player of all time
Dose Moginly work his way into any of these discussions? I didn't have the chance to see some of these other players play so I wouldn't know if he was one of the best ever or not.
I think Larionov must be there. Plus, have to devide D and F. At least, make it TOP 25. Then add to D list Kasparaitis, Kostantinov. F list, add Bykov: a very good leader.
kk i didnt watch hockey in the seventys but from like 1995 to now heres mine
someday semin will be there
sry for bad spelling if there is
That is completely wrong. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, and Malkin should not even be on the list. It is more like this:
Larionov- still at the top of his game
Fetisov- same with Larionov
Yashin- yes Yashin, regardless of how he left to go to Russia.
top 5 all time
1. Kharlamov- Most dominant offensive player in hockey, arguably. Looked like he was a man playing with boys. The Maradona of Hockey is the best desription.
2. Tretiak- Greatest goalie of all time.
3. Maltsev- Great hockey player. The definition of a talented playmaker. Put up big numbers and played on a dominant Soviet team.
4. Fetisov- Greatest Russian defenseman of all time. Though he's not the best ever, he stood out with his great defensive awareness and ability to stop the opposing teams best.
5. Mikhailov- Great hockey player who lead the CCCP to many championships. Underrated because his style wasn't flashy but he played great hockey and scored many goals.
Top 5 in the NHL era (1990 to present)
1. Pavel Bure- He was just too talented. If he didn't have to retire so early and hadn't had so many injuries he will most likely end up #2 in the goal scoring list for sure. Bure was the most dangerous hockey player in his prime.
2. Sergei Fedorov- My favorite growing up, he was on another level when he was with Detroit. Dominant stats and very talented both offensively and defensively.
3. Alexander Ovechkin- He will break records and the sky is the limit for this guy. Imagine what he will be 5 years from now, he's only 23. Ten years from now he could be #1 on this list and top 5 in the all time list.
4. Igor Larionov- Was a great playmaker throughout his career and was one of the best ever in his prime. Understood the game like no other on the ice.
5a. Alexander Mogilny- Well I had to put two #5s because I dont know which one to put. Mogilny was great before he started getting injuries and was always a threat on the ice. Scored many points, would have been one of the best ever if hadnt had so many injuries.
5b. Alexei Kovalev- Well he's still putting up great numbers, a top 5 RW in the league though he is 35. Talented and knows how to make noise when he's on the ice.
I agree with this list. Kharlamov is the one and only. Magnificient player.
I can't believe you guys resurrected this thread. I made this thread as my first post.
Anyway, all of this is very subjective.
I still stand by my list.
He has only been in the league for 3 years. Even though he has had one of the biggest impacts in the NHL, we need to give him more time before he is considered with the elite.
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