Tom Wilson dirty hit (Suspension incoming?)

[mouser]

years ago if stevens made that hit then 90% commenting for wilson to be suspended asap would be cheering with beer in hand.

And if Scott Stevens played in today's NHL I believe he would have easily been able to adapt his style to still deliver huge legal hits that the fans would cheer.

 

[maacoshark]

Ryan Callahan has 2,093 hits in his career and Troy Brouwer has 1,846 hits in his career. That's almost 4,000 hits and I cannot remember either of them ever being suspended. Tom Wilson has 1,144 hits in his career and he's missed how many games due to suspension? Missing a game for every 100 hits you throw isn't exactly a good ratio.

There is a difference between a Tom Wilson hit and a hit from other players around the league. Wilson is like a runaway freight train. Most guys are in some kind of control when they hit someone. Wilson isn't.

 

[amjay13]

Love me some Tom Wilson but the really dumb part for me was the timing. The last preseason game against the Blues. Why?

 

[kmart]

as a caps fan i must say this is the dirtiest hit i ever saw from wilson... i dont know what he thought... maybe he thinks now that he got his raise he needs to justify it with even more violence... in preseason no less. i wont even argue if its a headshot or not... the player was in a very defenseless position and if he hits him there, it needs to be a bit lower/aimed for the chest - a body to body hit. anything that looks close to a drive by elbow gets him suspended, he must know that by know, i guess i am fine with 5-10 games.

 

[Ms Maggie]

History? Historically, there much more car accidents than plane crashes, that u might think that airplanes are safer. But it's not. There is much less air planes than the cars so % of ppl diying is much higher. With amount of hits Wilson delivers, % of hits to the heads is pretty low, which is surprising when u consider his speed.

Airplanes much safer than cars. Not even close.

Carry on.

Which Is Safer: Airplanes or Cars?

 

[Ms Maggie]

Love me some Tom Wilson but the really dumb part for me was the timing. The last preseason game against the Blues. Why?

Because he's really, really stupid?

 

[StoneHands]

There is a difference between a Tom Wilson hit and a hit from other players around the league. Wilson is like a runaway freight train. Most guys are in some kind of control when they hit someone. Wilson isn't.

Yeah, that was kind of the point of the post. Just because someone throws a lot of hits doesn't mean that occasionally they are going to be suspendable as he suggested.

 

[NeverBeNormal]

Hilarious that ex players have the nerve to blame the NHL after they're finished beating each other's brains in. It's gonna be even funnier when the suspension comes down and the PA appeals the outcome so this neanderthal can get back out there quicker and dole out more brain damage to his Union Brothers.

 

[Ugene Magic]

And AO is one of the dirtiest players in the league as well.

So what?

Tons of great players were borderline dirtballs.

Wilson is in a different more malicious category, he’s simply a predator and a POS. He’s not some tough guy, just a straight out lowlife looking to maim other players.

Four suspensions in a year is mind boggling and indefensible.

It should have been closer to 7/8 like double that 4 he got. If he can't run around like he does he's a useless player and probably why he said he wouldn't change how he plays.

Throw 25 games at him and maybe a lightbulb will come on. Doubt it.

 

[StoneHands]

Riptide stated tied for 186. Why are the numbers different?

Which site are you using

NHL.com - Stats

This isn't tough information to find. Regardless, putting up numbers similar to other 3rd liners or low end 2nd liners while playing 75% of the game with either Backstrom or Kuznetsov is not impressive.

 

[Cellee]

Every forgets all the days Ted Bundy wasn't killing anybody. They only remember the murdery days.

 

[IceNeophyte]

History? Historically, there much more car accidents than plane crashes, that u might think that airplanes are safer. But it's not. There is much less air planes than the cars so % of ppl diying is much higher. With amount of hits Wilson delivers, % of hits to the heads is pretty low, which is surprising when u consider his speed.

I have to applaud someone who uses airline safety records to rationalize a dirty and dangerous hit.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

What ever happened to “keep your head up”? I get that it was a dirty hit from Wilson by today’s standards. But in all honesty how do you cleanly hit a player now a days when he’s in that position? Hip checks are too low now, regular hit would hit the head of a player who just took a shot as his head was lowered. So how do you hit him cleanly in that situation? Can players just put there head down now and cut to the slot unimpeded? Are defenders just not supposed to hit the player in that situation now?

 

[EroCaps]

Umm, no idea why Tom Wilson is still dolling out headshots; and in a pre-season game.

At this point I want the league to give him 10-15 games so this shit doesn't happen in the playoffs, or down the stretch.

And so he doesn't kill someone.

 

[Ridley Simon]

NHL.com - Stats

This isn't tough information to find. Regardless, putting up numbers similar to other 3rd liners or low end 2nd liners while playing 75% of the game with either Backstrom or Kuznetsov is not impressive.

You keep using the centers he played with, while dismissing no PP time. They somewhat cancel each other out.

What are his ES PPG rankings? That site doesnt show it.

Other than Grabner, Fast, Gibbons, etc....everyone else has some PP points. Some significant.

Edit-- Zach Hyman is a good example. He's .04 more pts game. He played w Mathews, Marner, or Nylander almost all season long. He's top 6, but Wilson isnt?

 

[Cellee]

What ever happened to “keep your head up”? I get that it was a dirty hit from Wilson by today’s standards. But in all honesty how do you cleanly hit a player now a days when he’s in that position? Hip checks are too low now, regular hit would hit the head of a player who just took a shot as his head was lowered. So how do you hit him cleanly in that situation? Can players just put there head down now and cut to the slot unimpeded? Are defenders just not supposed to hit the player in that situation now?

Well, for :

1. Don't blindside.

2. Don't hit high.

3. Don't accelerate and launch yourself.

4. All else fails you could play the puck as you know he doesn't see you and has nowhere to go anyway.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Well, for :

1. Don't blindside.

2. Don't hit high.

3. Don't accelerate and launch yourself.

4. All else fails you could play the puck as you know he doesn't see you and has nowhere to go anyway.

The blind side one is the one I don’t get, so basically a player can look down at the puck and now no matter how you hit him it’s a blind side hit. How does that work?

 

[Twisted Blue]

Sundqvist’s shoulderface looking great.

I thought this would get more of a response. His face looks like an imprint of a shoulder pad.

 

[Riptide]

Riptide stated 186. Why are the numbers different?

Pretty sure I said 187, and was tied with Grabner at 186 and Bura at 188. But any difference would be due to filtering. I put in a games played filter of 50 games as I wanted to eliminate smaller sample sizes. If you remove that games played filter, he falls to 212. However that also gives you 15+ players who played less than 20 or so games, and many of those played less than 10 games.

There's the link, feel free to play around with it.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[Its a Trap]

What ever happened to “keep your head up”? I get that it was a dirty hit from Wilson by today’s standards. But in all honesty how do you cleanly hit a player now a days when he’s in that position? Hip checks are too low now, regular hit would hit the head of a player who just took a shot as his head was lowered. So how do you hit him cleanly in that situation? Can players just put there head down now and cut to the slot unimpeded? Are defenders just not supposed to hit the player in that situation now?

Sundqvist is 6'3". Even in a shooting position with his head bent over there's plenty of room to catch him square in the chest or to come from the side and go shoulder to shoulder. He came from the side. He didn't get the shoulder. What do you want? A return to the 80s and 90s where anything goes?

 

[Cellee]

The blind side one is the one I don’t get, so basically a player can look down at the puck and now no matter how you hit him it’s a blind side hit. How does that work?

We just cannot re-start this argument 33 pages in.

 

[Its a Trap]

The blind side one is the one I don’t get, so basically a player can look down at the puck and now no matter how you hit him it’s a blind side hit. How does that work?

You can not be looking at the puck and looking in front of you or in the opposite direction and find yourself blindsided. You don't get blindsided only when you're puck watching. This really isn't a hard concept.

 

[Hivemind]

Can we update the thread title with the hearing date (Wednesday)? Not really a lot of useful discussion will happen between now and then.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

an overrated player , overpaid player , making dumb hits over and over.

should be off for 20games

its like the 6 times in the last year ffs

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Sundqvist is 6'3". Even in a shooting position with his head bent over there's plenty of room to catch him square in the chest or to come from the side and go shoulder to shoulder. He came from the side. He didn't get the shoulder. What do you want? A return to the 80s and 90s where anything goes?

I just want at some accountability to the player for putting himself in such a prime position is all, it’s all on the hitter now days and no one in the guy who puts hit head down cutting into the slot, or skating into a corner after the puck facing the boards. I’m not trying to say the hit aren’t dirty or that they shouldn’t be removed because they totally should. But players need to be more aware too, they put themselves is so much more dengerous positions now then in the past I find.