CBC Hot Stove: Tolvanen, Niku amongst prospects in play

[Hunter368]

I agree that stone makes the most sense. I just find it ridiculous that with guys like scheifele Laine ehlers connor etc that you can't trade one of those three and a first for a hometown kid who is one of the best players in the league. He's like a young patrice Bergeron he's so effing good defensively and offensively it's sick. Just pay up and enjoy man!

It’s about resource management, do you trade away a big part of your future & shortening your window for 20-25 games of Stone if it gives you an extra 2-3% increase chance of winning the cup this year? Fair question, everyone will have an opinion on it......but only Chevys opinion matters. What we do know is Chevy & the owner has stated many times is they have no interest in creating a flash in the pan team.....they are on record many times stating they want to build via draft a team that has a long term window of 10-15 years or more competing in the playoffs for the cup each year. You can’t do that by burning top prospects every TDL on pure rentals. That’s why imo of all the big rentals out there imo Stone is the potential one he targets for multi reasons.....including he’s the one who is most likely to resign.

Time will tell

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Stone is a winger so do Jets need him? Unless Ehlers is moved.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

I disagree there. With the upcoming expansion draft, keeping Fabbro lets Nashville protect three of their top 4D and more of their forwards. If a package around Tolvanen would get Stone I REALLY hope Poile goes for it.

I heard Fabbro wanted to sign after his season is done therefore burning a year of ELC this year and needing to be protected in the expansion draft. And if you wait until next year to try to sign him.... He probably just goes to UFA ala Schultz.

Anyways, I think Stone is exactly what the Preds need. I love Forsberg and Arvidsson but I think Stone instantly becomes your best forward. So worth dealing Tolvanen/Fabbro and a 1st, I'd say. I also think you could keep him, I don't think the $$ is the deal breaker, and Nashville is in a hell of a better position than Ottawa.

 

[Liver King]

Can the Jets and Nashville take on salary though?

Or what pieces would need to be moved out to acquire 6-7mil players

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Stone to Nashville for Tolvanen+1st
Duchene to Winnipeg for Niku+1st

Let's goooooo.

 

[Clayonator]

Tolvanen and Niku are the rumors but I'd actually expect those teams are more willing to deal Vesalainen and Fabbro. WPG is going to need Niku more than Vesalainen, and same goes for Nashville needing Tolvanen more than Fabbro, with Ellis and Subban locked up.

Very valid points. Would love either/both of those two.

 

[antiqueslivers]

I still think this whole idea of niku and tolvanen to be available as laughable. Both look to be great prospects for either team in positions that they need.

 

[Hunter368]

Can the Jets and Nashville take on salary though?

Or what pieces would need to be moved out to acquire 6-7mil players

Jets have lots of cap space this year to take on Either player plus more. They have 5.9 million last time I checked

 

[Hunter368]

Stone is a winger so do Jets need him? Unless Ehlers is moved.

Laine & Ehlers play both wings......Stone would be no issue to take on, just bumps someone down to the 3rd line.

 

[CauZuki]

No


No

Wow that's serious undervaluation of Gallagher , one of the best contracts in the league and still in his prime, if Gallagher were offered straight up for Tolvanen I don't see any logic where Nashville turns this down.

 

[Tkachukecheese]

I still think this whole idea of niku and tolvanen to be available as laughable. Both look to be great prospects for either team in positions that they need.

Laughable in the Sense that you don't think it will happen? Fourth period just put an article out less than half an hour ago about how poile has said tolvanen is available for stone or panarin....

 

[Tkachukecheese]

Wow that's serious undervaluation of Gallagher , one of the best contracts in the league and still in his prime, if Gallagher were offered straight up for Tolvanen I don't see any logic where Nashville turns this down.

Yeah there is zero chance that Nashville accepts that deal lol but I admire how much you like the little guy !

 

[Tkachukecheese]

It might if no one is offering anything better, which is the point really.

As we've seen from past history, top prospects aren't moved for rentals, and rarely do teams get what they think they will on some of those moves.

Every team looking to make a move will basically be offering a late first rounder, and if none of them are willing to move their top prospects as history shows, you probably get much closer to the real answer on trade day.

You are really going to be pissed then... Fourth period now coming out saying poile is making tolvanen available for one of the top guys... Will "also" include their first and maybe even a third asset. Your gm saying this no one else's...

 

[NoNecksCurse]

You are really going to be pissed then... Fourth period now coming out saying poile is making tolvanen available for one of the top guys... Will "also" include their first and maybe even a third asset. Your gm saying this no one else's...

poile has shown he will trade 1st round picks for brendan witt, paul gaustad, and ryan hartman. we shouldn't be surprised.

TFP use to not be very reliable.

 

[Tkachukecheese]

poile has shown he will trade 1st round picks for brendan witt, paul gaustad, and ryan hartman. we shouldn't be surprised.

True but they have become way more reliable. Also have heard some of the TSN guys refer to tolvanen. Only makes sense. Where does he rank on your prospects anyways? First or behind fabbro or maybe someone else I don't know about.

TFP use to not be very reliable.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

tolvanen would be our #1 prospect then fabbro. our cupboard is bare.

 

[McSuper]

Kypreos is an idiot.
I wouldn't believe a word he says.

You can call that man an Idiot . He tried to be a tough guy and was concussed too many times . So no calling that idiot an idiot

 

[jgimp]

tolvanen would be our #1 prospect then fabbro. our cupboard is bare.

As a Winnipeg fan I love it!

 

[antiqueslivers]

Laughable in the Sense that you don't think it will happen? Fourth period just put an article out less than half an hour ago about how poile has said tolvanen is available for stone or panarin....

well then I stand corrected!

 

[Tkachukecheese]

As a Winnipeg fan I love it!

Not so fast.... We are about to take one or two away from you too don't forget that!

 

[Icelevel]

Stone to Nashville for Tolvanen+1st
Duchene to Winnipeg for Niku+1st

Let's goooooo.

swap destinations

 

[Goldenhands]

Tolvainen is easily one of the most overrated prospects ever, no doubt Poile will use him as trading bait...

 

[BatVader]

swap destinations

Hope not

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah there is zero chance that Nashville accepts that deal lol but I admire how much you like the little guy !

Gallagher for Tolvanen straight up? There is zero chance you are right. Nashville takes this deal for sure! An unproven prospect for a top 6 proven RW who scores 30 goals and is on a steel of a contract for 2 more years after this year. Come on man.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Tolvainen is easily one of the most overrated prospects ever, no doubt Poile will use him as trading bait...

I think his stock has fallen slightly since his KHL year last season. He is doing OK in the AHL this year but nothing to brag about.