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There WILL be hockey this year.
No way in hell the NHL is going to scrap a 2nd year.
Fehr is fully aware of the NHL's pressure to not lose a season - there will be a deal that will include 50 to 60 games.
Believe y'all
There WILL be hockey this year.
No way in hell the NHL is going to scrap a 2nd year.
Fehr is fully aware of the NHL's pressure to not lose a season - there will be a deal that will include 50 to 60 games.
Believe y'all
Your neighbor won't turn down the radio. You break down his door and do it for him. The police arrest you. You argue that it was the neighbors fault for not turning down his radio. You go to jail. You discover that in the eyes of society you are responsible for your own actions.
Bettman stopped hockey. No one made him do it. He is responsible for his own actions. the 'just following orders' defence was discredited in the late 40's.
I believe its coming from anticipated growth in future years. The first two years would not be covered but with the NHLs "conservative" growth projections, 50% of revenue three years from now should equal today's player share of $1.8 billion. then in future years additional growth in revenue would allow the players to be repaid this amount they lost.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20186/stalemate-returns-to-cba-negotiations
the league’ $211 million Make Whole offer is not anything to sniff at; it’s a tangible move on the league’s part. But it’s still nowhere close to where the NHLPA would be willing to sign off on. Try about $600 million or so. That might do it.
Dalton said:Except in the quoted statement above witnessed by reporters and players.
There isn't any quote from Fehr saying this. It's a statement from a reporter. It's a misunderstanding from Globe and Mail.
You can see the what Fehr actually is saying at 5.35 or so in this clip when asked what happens in regards to the numbers in a shortened season. He specifically says that is something they will deal with once the economics are in place.
If you can't find a quote where Fehr claims the NHLPA will be fine with prorated salaries for a shortened season, please stop claiming that is what they will do.
"we would look at the structure of the agreement based upon what their presumed growth rates were and see if on that basis we were close enough to see if we would be in the same ballpark, the same arena and we would then deal with with the lockout issues afterwards. Based on their reactions today that I don't fully understand, they are not willing to do that".
That is a direct quote from Donald Fehr. There is nothing vague about it.
There isn't any quote from Fehr saying this. It's a statement from a reporter. It's a misunderstanding from Globe and Mail. For example Grange claims "The players have indicated that they expect to be paid their full share for the 2012-13 season, regardless of how many games are played. The owners, in other words, should pay every cent of the costs incurred by the lockout." which is the opposite of what the Globe and Mail says.
You can see the what Fehr actually is saying at 5.35 or so in this clip when asked what happens in regards to the numbers in a shortened season. He specifically says that is something they will deal with once the economics are in place.
If you can't find a quote where Fehr claims the NHLPA will be fine with prorated salaries for a shortened season, please stop claiming that is what they will do.
"we would look at the structure of the agreement based upon what their presumed growth rates were and see if on that basis we were close enough to see if we would be in the same ballpark, the same arena and we would then deal with with the lockout issues afterwards. Based on their reactions today that I don't fully understand, they are not willing to do that".
That is a direct quote from Donald Fehr. There is nothing vague about it.
There isn't any quote from Fehr saying this. It's a statement from a reporter. It's a misunderstanding from Globe and Mail. For example Grange claims "The players have indicated that they expect to be paid their full share for the 2012-13 season, regardless of how many games are played. The owners, in other words, should pay every cent of the costs incurred by the lockout." which is the opposite of what the Globe and Mail says.
You can see the what Fehr actually is saying at 5.35 or so in this clip when asked what happens in regards to the numbers in a shortened season. He specifically says that is something they will deal with once the economics are in place.
If you can't find a quote where Fehr claims the NHLPA will be fine with prorated salaries for a shortened season, please stop claiming that is what they will do.
"we would look at the structure of the agreement based upon what their presumed growth rates were and see if on that basis we were close enough to see if we would be in the same ballpark, the same arena and we would then deal with with the lockout issues afterwards. Based on their reactions today that I don't fully understand, they are not willing to do that".
That is a direct quote from Donald Fehr. There is nothing vague about it.
Because that way players would've only pay for his negotiation skills. It took Mr Fehr's ego out of the equation. And it could be much faster and effective way to get some results. It's players job to evaluate the proposals and decide if they can play with it or not. Fehr doesn't know how hard it is to play hockey, does he?
If players want to outsource their intelligence and common sense, it's much more expensive and ineffective. But you're right. We can't determine the contract between players and Mr Fehr. It's their business.Fehr is like a lawyer for the players they are paying for his opinion and negotiating skills. Why would you not want your lawyer to give you advice? That makes no sense. Lawyer "Well they are offering to give you $100k for your suit" You "Well is that a good offer? We were suing for 10 million" Lawyer "I am just here to get you an offer not tell you if it is any good" seems kind of silly doesn't it?
That being the De-linked scheme the league is not going to accept .
I just can't get over a professional sports league that generates billions of dollars a year, whose players make millions of dollars a year on average, losing 2 whole season within a decade.
It makes no sense.
I just can't get over a professional sports league that generates billions of dollars a year, whose players make millions of dollars a year on average, losing 2 whole season within a decade.
It makes no sense.
Is it safe to say that there won't be a meeting today? Leaking that memo changed everything.
Revenue =/= Profit. Most people don't seem to understand the differences, including the players.
But still it seems to me the NHL offer is legit. I don't get this, what is the 389* million more the players want?
The league offer covers the transition from 57-50%. What is the NHLPA asking for 389 million more for? Wouldn't it just be salary cap hockey as usual, after the three year make whole period?
(Note 389 million short,thought it read 600 million)
The NHL should throw a huge curveball into this:
"NHLPA, I'll lift the lockout right now. Get you back to training camps, and we can continue to negotiate. We'll even start paying you for this season immediatly. The only catch? We need to negotiate directly with the players, not Fehr. And to take it one step further, we'll guarantee every single cent of your previous contracts. Just as long as we negotiate with the players directly."
Watch how fast the NHLPA crumbles to the ****ing ground. Bettman has to get creative and go around Fehr, now. Accusing him is one thing. The toolbags that say "He tells us everything" are still going by his script. Fact is, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of players who are starting to lose their patience. Only so long before it begins. Bettman needs to up the ante.
The NHL should throw a huge curveball into this:
"NHLPA, I'll lift the lockout right now. Get you back to training camps, and we can continue to negotiate. We'll even start paying you for this season immediatly. The only catch? We need to negotiate directly with the players, not Fehr. And to take it one step further, we'll guarantee every single cent of your previous contracts. Just as long as we negotiate with the players directly."
Watch how fast the NHLPA crumbles to the ****ing ground. Bettman has to get creative and go around Fehr, now. Accusing him is one thing. The toolbags that say "He tells us everything" are still going by his script. Fact is, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of players who are starting to lose their patience. Only so long before it begins. Bettman needs to up the ante.