Timothy "Lillypad" Liljegren Discussion || UPD 1/14/2020 -- Recalled by the Leafs and returned

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I would still take Durzi back however. Maybe for an asset that seems stuck in the AHL.

Meh. We have Lindgren/Hollowell/Duszak who should all be with the Marlies next year. Wouldn't really be a spot.

 

[supermann_98]

I would still take Durzi back however. Maybe for an asset that seems stuck in the AHL.

For Liljegren tho?

 

[stickty111]

Meh. We have Lindgren/Hollowell/Duszak who should all be with the Marlies next year. Wouldn't really be a spot.

Plus Durzi isn't even all that good. I would take all 3 guys you mentioned over him.

 

[Kiwi]

Plus Durzi isn't even all that good. I would take all 3 guys you mentioned over him.

I think he's in a tier with those players, you could prefer any one of them over the other depending on what you'd prefer

 

[LeafsNation75]

Plus Durzi isn't even all that good. I would take all 3 guys you mentioned over him.

His stats in the AHL are not that good considering his age. So if the Kings really valued him more than Liljegren or Sandin in the Jake Muzzin trade, that worked out better for the Leafs.

 

[stickty111]

His stats in the AHL are not that good considering his age. So if the Kings really valued him more than Liljegren or Sandin in the Jake Muzzin trade, that worked out better for the Leafs.

True. All though Kings probably wanted Lilly, and Dubas said okay then give me something more. Kings didn't so they settled on Durzi.

Fun fact. Lilly's 18 year old PPG is higher then Durzi's PPG at age 21.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

His stats in the AHL are not that good considering his age. So if the Kings really valued him more than Liljegren or Sandin in the Jake Muzzin trade, that worked out better for the Leafs.

No they did, they just weren't available.

 

[stickty111]

Lilly is an AHL all star. Tremendous achievement for him. If anyone is interested, it's on TSN 2 today.

 

[stickty111]

Here is what Lilly is participating in.

Rapid Fire
Hardest Shot
Breakaway Relay

 

[stickty111]

 

[definedMF]

PLAY HIM MORE PLEASE!!! He's just too good not to be played more minutes.

 

[A1LeafNation]

PLAY HIM MORE PLEASE!!! He's just too good not to be played more minutes.

One way or another he will be playing more after the trade deadline.

 

[SprDaVE]

I would still take Durzi back however. Maybe for an asset that seems stuck in the AHL.

Not sure about Durzi, but I think the Leafs would love to be able to trade for Calle Rosen back. He's been in the AHL for awhile. He only played 8 NHL games for the Avs this season and doesn't appear to be doing overly well there overall.

I wonder if a Ceci for Rosen trade as a basis could work? Seems like Ceci could be good RHD insurance/depth I think and they have a ton of cap space to work with.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Not sure about Durzi, but I think the Leafs would love to be able to trade for Calle Rosen back. He's been in the AHL for awhile. He only played 8 NHL games for the Avs this season and doesn't appear to be doing overly well there overall.

I wonder if a Ceci for Rosen trade as a basis could work? Seems like Ceci could be good RHD insurance/depth I think and they have a ton of cap space to work with.

They have Cole and Zadorov on their third pair right now don't they? I can't see them taking Ceci unless they flip a LD first. He could be their 7th I guess but they likely go for something like Pageau+Kreider or something with their space.

 

[Sypher04]

I actually don't think we should trade Ceci unless we're getting multiple defensemen at the deadline. He's significantly overpaid right now, but he's solid depth and we don't necessarily NEED the cap space. All the injuries have kind of made that a moot point unless we're making more deals

 

[MagicalRazor]

Is lilly in tonight ?

 

[Sypher04]

Is lilly in tonight ?

Doesn't seem like it, no.

 

[SprDaVE]

Is lilly in tonight ?

He was sent down to the AHL after the game and then went to the AHL all-star game.

 

[LeafsNation75]

No they did, they just weren't available.

They weren't you say. How can that be, I remember reading comments from someone one on other boards who claims with articles from Elliotte Friedman how the Kings and Rob Blake valued Druzi a lot more than Sandin and Liljegren.

 

[LeafsNation75]

True. All though Kings probably wanted Lilly, and Dubas said okay then give me something more. Kings didn't so they settled on Durzi.

Fun fact. Lilly's 18 year old PPG is higher then Durzi's PPG at age 21.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dubas obviously said no to giving up either player and that's when he offered them their 2019 1st round pick without any conditions.

 

[stickty111]

If people weren't sure yet, well Bob pretty much said Lilly is untouchable along with the big 4, and Sandin, Robertson, and the 1st round pick.

 

[hamzarocks]

If people weren't sure yet, well Bob pretty much said Lilly is untouchable along with the big 4, and Sandin, Robertson, and the 1st round pick.

You mean next years first right? I dont know I'd be open to dealing that if the right trade came along.

The three prospects would cost more than good value to get. Youd have to pay for one of those guys with the assumption that they are going to be more valuable to your team than they are elsewhere (and as such your willing to endure a overpayment for them)

 

[Arthur Morgan]

They weren't you say. How can that be, I remember reading comments from someone one on other boards who claims with articles from Elliotte Friedman how the Kings and Rob Blake valued Druzi a lot more than Sandin and Liljegren.

I seriously doubt they asked for Durzi first. I know I wouldn't and thats just speculation. it means nothing.

 

[stickty111]

Someone made the point on twitter. Lilly wasn't on the untouchables list last year. It shows how much he has grown that are Leafs are not comfortable moving him.

 

[1specter]

I seriously doubt they asked for Durzi first. I know I wouldn't and thats just speculation. it means nothing.

The problem is that people are assuming that it was Durzi vs Liljegren in a ceteris paribus scenario (all else being equal). I would imagine if the package had Liljegren in it, it was probably a less enticing package overall to the Kings.

e.g. Leafs offered Liljegren + Timashov or Liljegren+2nd or something like that, vs Durzi+Grundstrom+1st, and Kings preferred package 2.