Sportsnet: Time for the Flyers to listen on offers for Giroux?

[AtlasRust]

And Cousins... who is our 3C atm!

It ended up effectively being:

Richards
Carter
Rob Bordson

for

Voracek
Simmonds
Schenn
1st (Couturier)
3rd (Cousins)
2nd (flipped for Grossmann... who helped get rid of Pronger contract while also garnering a 4th round pick... which is Connor Bunnaman.)

Now do the Zhitnik trade!

 

[jacks*]

Hextall should listen to offers though. If the Canadiens are willing to offer Galchenyuk and Sergachev, I'd put Giroux on a plane tonight.

Hab's wouldn't even consider it.

 

[jacks*]

I' m not sure i'd even trade Chucky straight up for Giroux because of his contract.

 

[Appleyard]

Now do the Zhitnik trade!

Otherwise known as the gift that keeps on giving!

 

[scratchhayes*]

Unless Flyers plan on retaining 30% of his salary, he ain't going nowhere.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Crazy what a 20 game span does to peoples minds.

Giroux was 11th in league scoring and pacing for ~75 points just before Xmas ~35 games into the season... while scoring at the same rate 5v5 as last year... where he was top 100 in the leagues in 5v5 P/60 and scoring at 1st line level.

Do you think he's earning his contract? How about in 3 years?

 

[Homesick]

Even star players have bad years is something I have to mention here. Getzlaf had a 57 point year and it was pretty much declared on HF he was done at that point. Then next year after he was over PPG.

For Flyers I suppose it could make sense to put Giroux on the table, because of their youth in D specifically, but he shouldn't (and wouldn't) be traded for lesser pieces.

Its not so much the "bad years" its the pattern of declining production.
13-14 28G 58A 86Pts
14-15 25G 48A 73Pts
15-16 22G 45A 67Pts
16-17 17G 42A 59Pts* pro-rated over 82 games

The you add 8.275 million until the end of the 21-22 season

 

[bleuetbio]

Its not so much the "bad years" its the pattern of declining production.
13-14 28G 58A 86Pts
14-15 25G 48A 73Pts
15-16 22G 45A 67Pts
16-17 17G 42A 59Pts* pro-rated over 82 games

The you add 8.275 million until the end of the 21-22 season

And you forget to tell that he was a PPG after 25 games and like .5 PPG in his last 40 games. Its an horrific end of season for the 2nd straight year.

That said, if this deal happen, be sure that Provorov and Sergachev would be switched on the deal because it makes no sense to do an all-in without filling the hole on LD with Weber.

 

[CanadienShark]

Giroux for Subban?

So the Preds go from RHD depth of:

Weber, Jones and Ellis
to
Subban and Ellis
to
Ellis... and within a year? Don't think so.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Viktor Arvidsson+2017 1st + Mike Ribeiro

 

[Sasso09]

galchenyuk for giroux is totally the weber/subban lite version right?

Needs to be a significant add to Galchenyuk, so no.

 

[Sasso09]

And you forget to tell that he was a PPG after 25 games and like .5 PPG in his last 40 games. Its an horrific end of season for the 2nd straight year.

That said, if this deal happen, be sure that Provorov and Sergachev would be switched on the deal because it makes no sense to do an all-in without filling the hole on LD with Weber.

Two Sergachevs don't equal a Provorov

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I see Giroux going to the Wild for some reason.

 

[Homesick]

Needs to be a significant add to Galchenyuk, so no.

Needs to be a significant reduction of Girouxs salary, so no.

 

[Starat327]

And you forget to tell that he was a PPG after 25 games and like .5 PPG in his last 40 games. Its an horrific end of season for the 2nd straight year.

That said, if this deal happen, be sure that Provorov and Sergachev would be switched on the deal because it makes no sense to do an all-in without filling the hole on LD with Weber.

Then Take your pick of Del Zotto, Streit, AMac, or Schultz, we'll toss em in for free. But Provy isn't going anywhere.

 

[billybudd]

That's...rather risky. 1Cs don't exactly grow on trees. It could be argued that 10 or so teams don't even have one.

Then again, I was wrong when they sold high on Richards. I figured he had 6 years of good hockey left in him, not 1 year of good hockey, 1 year of so-so hockey and a whole bunch of abominable.

 

[FlyRoutine]

galchenyuk for giroux is totally the weber/subban lite version right?

The Flyers shouldnt and probably wouldnt trade Giroux for Galchenyuck straight up.

 

[glenbuis]

lol no

Philadelphia would. No way montreal does. I hope.

 

[Appleyard]

And you forget to tell that he was a PPG after 25 games and like .5 PPG in his last 40 games. Its an horrific end of season for the 2nd straight year.

That said, if this deal happen, be sure that Provorov and Sergachev would be switched on the deal because it makes no sense to do an all-in without filling the hole on LD with Weber.

That is factually incorrect.

Last season he finished far stronger than he started.

From late November he played like an absolute star offensively. (he was actually great all year tbh but Jake was full-on storm trooper to start the year.)

He had 12pts in his first 20 games, and from there on out put up 55 in 58.

And he was putting up ~65 CF/60 in that time at 5v5... which is absolutely elite offensively... like top 10 in NHL elite.

Between late November 2015 and Xmas 2016 Giroux put up 84pts in 92 games... 75pt pace. Did he just wake up one day near Xmas and become a worse hockey player overnight?

People may say 'cherry picked'... but since 2013-14 he has been at 70-75 points per 82 games over the majority of his 82 game splits. The last 25 games are the outlier.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

What do you want from the Flames for Giroux (Defense is not available except prospects)? BTW yes a deal without having a major D going back absolutely can work.

 

[Appleyard]

From late 2/22 2015 to 1/26 2017 Giroux played 70 spans of 82 regular season games.

His range over those was 69pts/82gp to 77pts/82gp.

70 spans of 82 games, but his average points per 82 varied only by 8.

That last 82 game span in that range finished 9 games ago.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Galchenyuk + Lehkonen + 1st 2018 for Giroux. At least it worth to heard

 

[General Fanager]

From late 2/22 2015 to 1/26 2017 Giroux played 70 spans of 82 regular season games.

His range over those was 69pts/82gp to 77pts/82gp.

70 spans of 82 games, but his average points per 82 varied only by 8.

That last 82 game span in that range finished 9 games ago.

yuou can spin it however you like but the numbers are clear.

13-14 28G 58A 86Pts
14-15 25G 48A 73Pts
15-16 22G 45A 67Pts
16-17 17G 42A 59Pts* pro-rated over 82 games


the decline has begun, and for a guy who has 5 years left at 8.25. Will teams be interested sure, but pay the moon for him...no chance

 

[Appleyard]

yuou can spin it however you like but the numbers are clear.

13-14 28G 58A 86Pts
14-15 25G 48A 73Pts
15-16 22G 45A 67Pts
16-17 17G 42A 59Pts* pro-rated over 82 games


the decline has begun, and for a guy who has 5 years left at 8.25. Will teams be interested sure, but pay the moon for him...no chance

I trust 70 spans of 82 games over 2 random ones and a 60 game span (14-15, 15-16 and 16-17). Bigger data set, less chance of variance caused by luck etc.

Once again... did his decline start overnight at some point in December, when he was 10th in NHL pts after ~35 games?

Was he done in November 2014, when he had a worse 20 game stretch than he just had?

Odds are over his next 82 games he puts up ~70-74 points.

 

[General Fanager]

I trust 70 spans of 82 games over 2 random ones and a 60 game span (14-15, 15-16 and 16-17). Bigger data set, less chance of variance caused by luck etc.

Once again... did his decline start overnight at some point in December, when he was 10th in NHL pts after ~35 games?

Was he done in November 2014, when he had a worse 20 game stretch than he just had?

Odds are over his next 82 games he puts up ~70-74 points.

again all spin.

I am looking at his last 4 seasons. his numbers have gone down in all 4 of those seasons. I did not pick random seasons or stretches of games. The last 4 seasons. Thats a good gauge of how a player is playing I would think.

But if we are allowed to pick random numbers such as you have, I will choose Galchenyuks first 40 games this year when he was a PPG and I will ask for G and a big + for him.....