This Is Your Tempe Talk

[MIGs Dog]

Anyone here thinking of scooping up one of these condos at the TED?

What do you think the price range will be? I'm betting on a major housing slowdown over the next few years.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

It’s not ideal but it’s not as bad as that.

The whole point of this anti-Glendale push by the league and the team has been to put the arena somewhere central. If you move from one fringe of the Valley to the other, you're just continuing the same fan disenfranchisement that folks have been howling about for years with regards to Glendale. The only difference is that it's not you being inconvenienced this time.

 

[moosemeister]

What do you think the price range will be? I'm betting on a major housing slowdown over the next few years.

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Gotta love the housing market. A “luxury” condo going for almost one mil.

I’ll take my four bed, three bath home for 500k Alex. Haha

 

[Bonsai Tree]

The whole point of this anti-Glendale push by the league and the team has been to put the arena somewhere central. If you move from one fringe of the Valley to the other, you're just continuing the same fan disenfranchisement that folks have been howling about for years with regards to Glendale. The only difference is that it's not you being inconvenienced this time.

Swing and s miss. The whole point of this anti- Glendale push is to move the team closer to the majority of paying fans. They live in the East Valley, Scottsdale and vicinity. They don’t live “somewhere central”.

 

[rt]

The whole point of this anti-Glendale push by the league and the team has been to put the arena somewhere central. If you move from one fringe of the Valley to the other, you're just continuing the same fan disenfranchisement that folks have been howling about for years with regards to Glendale. The only difference is that it's not you being inconvenienced this time.

I think it’s moderately better. Certainly much better than Glendale. But significantly worse than Tempe.

 

[Jagged Ice]

Am I the only one who thinks that TED is our last chance?
I feel like if Tempe says no and we announce a plan B project, there will be riots worse than what happened at the US capital a couple years ago. Lol

 

[Jakey53]

Am I the only one who thinks that TED is our last chance?

The NHL will need a firm commitment for a new arena this year, wherever that might be. AM has that gambling license and only he knows if it is worth it to find another location fast if this Tempe deal falls through.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Am I the only one who thinks that TED is our last chance?

I think there's a plan b, but don't believe we will need it. Why would Tempe not approve the project? They want to develop the land, Coyotes submitted the only proposal, should be a big boost to the city's tax base and image, the team is pumping money into the university. I know I'm biased, but what would justify a "no" vote?

 

[Jagged Ice]

I think there's a plan b, but don't believe we will need it. Why would Tempe not approve the project? They want to develop the land, Coyotes submitted the only proposal, should be a big boost to the city's tax base and image, the team is pumping money into the university. I know I'm biased, but what would justify a "no" vote?

I don't know. It wouldn't be very Coyotes to just sail through, get this beautiful arena and a cup winning team. I'm just too adjusted to getting shit on everytime I look at anything related to hockey.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think there's a plan b, but don't believe we will need it. Why would Tempe not approve the project? They want to develop the land, Coyotes submitted the only proposal, should be a big boost to the city's tax base and image, the team is pumping money into the university. I know I'm biased, but what would justify a "no" vote?

There's absolutely no legitimate impediment to TED at all. The only public money is going to be used for what public money would have been used for anyway - remediating the land in the waste dump. It's a privately financed arena district, it's a new revenue source for Tempe, it's another "crown jewel" for a city that already boasts several of them.

The roadblock is the City of Phoenix because it's very bad for them politically. A successful passage of TED gives the Diamondbacks and Suns more leverage to move out of the city too (as they've both threatened before), and Phoenix has dumped huge wads of cash into trying to dig downtown out from under the sleaze mountain that used to cover it a couple decades ago. I have no doubt that CoP folks are trying to wine-and-dine Tempe folks into rejecting TED as a result.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

I think there's a plan b, but don't believe we will need it. Why would Tempe not approve the project? They want to develop the land, Coyotes submitted the only proposal, should be a big boost to the city's tax base and image, the team is pumping money into the university. I know I'm biased, but what would justify a "no" vote?

This is where I'm at.

Also, an ESPN 30 for 30 on this entire ordeal in a few years would be amazing. Provided it happens of course, I'd be too sad to watch it otherwise.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Someone commented on reddit. Has there ever been an argument brought up about fireworks(not sure why the Coyotes would use fireworks), but they always have fireworks at tempe town lake on the bridge and that doesn't seem to be an issue. I'd figure explosives would be worse than a crane.

 

[TheLegend]

There's absolutely no legitimate impediment to TED at all. The only public money is going to be used for what public money would have been used for anyway - remediating the land in the waste dump. It's a privately financed arena district, it's a new revenue source for Tempe, it's another "crown jewel" for a city that already boasts several of them.

The roadblock is the City of Phoenix because it's very bad for them politically. A successful passage of TED gives the Diamondbacks and Suns more leverage to move out of the city too (as they've both threatened before), and Phoenix has dumped huge wads of cash into trying to dig downtown out from under the sleaze mountain that used to cover it a couple decades ago. I have no doubt that CoP folks are trying to wine-and-dine Tempe folks into rejecting TED as a result.

There are two things that will make or break this.

One is the bonding you’ve already referred to. And I agree it doesn’t appear to be that much of a problem.

The other one will be the GPLET and the big tax break ask that comes along it.

Tempe has several other project using GPLETs though. Including that recent $2 billion project they approved that includes the giant Ferris wheel on Tempe Town Lake.

It’ll get down to how this all pencils out for Tempe.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Someone commented on reddit. Has there ever been an argument brought up about fireworks(not sure why the Coyotes would use fireworks), but they always have fireworks at tempe town lake on the bridge and that doesn't seem to be an issue. I'd figure explosives would be worse than a crane.

They have fireworks at Chase Field all the time, and that's right in the arrival/departure corridor of runway 26. Again, it's politics - if it happens within the borders of Phoenix, it's fine, but if it happens in Tempe, it's a devastating risk.

 

[moosemeister]

TED is gonna be so lit. It’s gonna be a party with lights and sparkly shit.

Every time Meruelo pays a bill on time we light up the f***ing sky with fireworks.

 

[Knights2017]

TED is gonna be so lit. It’s gonna be a party with lights and sparkly shit.

Every time Meruelo pays a bill on time we light up the f***ing sky with fireworks.

This whole paying a bill on time thing is stupid and overblown

 

[TheLegend]

This whole paying a bill on time thing is stupid and overblown

By people who probably were also temporarily laid off during the pandemic and wondering how they were going to pay their bills on time too.

 

[moosemeister]

This whole paying a bill on time thing is stupid and overblown

He literally didn’t pay his TAXES

 

[Summer Rose]

This whole paying a bill on time thing is stupid and overblown

Tell that to my husband about my dental bills.

 

[PainForShane]

Agreed, but I didn't think I had any good solid information on GRA lower bowl prices to compare to.

So I dug some more, and I found an old 2017-2018 price sheet for all lower bowl seats. Again, doing some rough math, including the fact that the ends are nearly 2/3rd of the lower bowl seats, and adding in some increases for sports ticket inflation, I came to an estimate of ~$100 per seat in the lower bowl this year. I did my best to account for full STH prices, half season ticket price, and gate prices with estimates for each. I assumed that of the 2,750 STH seats that Gutierrez had told us about, that 2/3rd were lower bowl and 1/3 were upper bowl. My estimate landed in the $95-$105 range, so I just went with $100/seat.

Does that seem reasonable to others?

Assuming that is close, we are talking $100/seat at GRA as compared to the $200/seat at ASU that I came up with yesterday.

This isn't right -- I'm not going after you but these historical numbers just aren't correct.

Full season ticket holder since the first year Vegas came in the league / Tocchet's first year and that insane winless month of October (2017-2018?), seat was always lower bowl 3-5 rows behind the goal as close as I could get to center, directly behind the defend twice goal (longtime posters will know I used to play goal, that was the exact seat I wanted). Under $60 / game the entire time, it started at.. I dunno, $52 per game and was like... $58 this past year? They do some weird accounting where they count preseason games at full price so actual per-game cost was a few dollars higher than that. Anyway with fees ended up being somewhere around / slightly above $2500 / year.

In terms of cost, I actually think I had one of the more expensive STH seats -- most sections were about the same price, except for first two rows (much more) and the 8 or so center ice right behind the bench / penalty area. My completely unfounded theory is that fans that were fmr players are more likely to spend money to become STHs, if so they like to watch games from where they're used to seeing them from, so for me that's behind the goal but for others that's behind the bench. Either way there was a drop in price if you get lower bowl behind row K, but there also were also packages where you could get free unlimited hot dogs and nachos for less money than I paid. Thought about it but it was a weird section and the seats were back half of lower bowl IIRC. And like... I don't know who wants unlimited hot dogs that can't be good. Until this year they had a legitimately tasty (and affordable) turkey carver station right behind attack twice side, that was legitimately a good sandwich.

Anyway based on this I think the avg lower bowl season ticket for the past few years was probably $45-50 / game, even at that price they were not even close to sold out, entire lower bowl sections were empty for weekday games against teams like NJD and CBJ. Also, upper bowl was generally better populated than lower bowl, especially on the weekends (there was a weekender plan as well). My rough guess is maybe a 40 / 60 split with upper bowl being the 60%. Anyway, avg lower bowl price was absolutely was not $100 a game -- not even close.

No idea what the seats are actually priced at this year, not renewing (got the initial pricing list but that was very preliminary). If it would help ppl I can see if I can still log into the seat-selector pricing thing (my official date was about a week and a half ago), but given this would only apply to full STH plans (I think?) not sure how helpful this would be. Anyway lmk if you think that would help -- but I know at least one of us actually bought season tickets, they'd be in a better position to answer re: current prices

P.S. Thx @IronFinn for joining the community / posting high value information, we're all happy you're here and contributing. Is it too obvious that I'm hoping other lurkers start posting too?? =D

 

[PainForShane]

2020 - 2021 GRA "playoff" pricing

Note that the light blue seats are back half of most lower bowl sections / much cheaper this was once behind row K, more recently I guess it's rows Q and behind)

EDIT: Can't find a season ticket seating chart for 2021-2022, I think I just did the renewal on the phone so I guess they didn't send me a pricing pdf. Sorry about that everyone

 

[MIGs Dog]

He literally didn’t pay his TAXES

Paying taxes is for the little people.

 

[PainForShane]

Paying taxes is for the little people.

A Lannister always pays his debts

 

[TheLegend]

He literally didn’t pay his TAXES

A lot of people didn’t…. many tax bills were deferred during the pandemic. But they would eventually be made due in a balloon payment and if someone missed that date then you get smacked upside the head over it.

Edit: I’ll take it one step further….

With all of Alex Meruelo’s holdings, including his hotel/casino properties, etc. Why haven’t we heard anything in regards to him being a tax “deadbeat” with those as well?

AFAIK…. He got fined ONCE by the Nevada Gaming Commission for violating CoVID protocols at the Sahara and he promptly paid it. But you hear nothing from anywhere else.

 

[rt]

Am I the only one who thinks that TED is our last chance?
I feel like if Tempe says no and we announce a plan B project, there will be riots worse than what happened at the US capital a couple years ago. Lol

Depends on how advanced/known plan b is already. If it’s fairly well fleshed out and the league is fully aware, then fine. But if it’s back to the drawing board, we better brush up on our French. I don’t believe the NHL would be allowing the ASU thing if there weren’t

A) Confident Tempe will work out

AND

B) Holding a decent plan B in their back pocket