Thelen likely to re-enter draft

[nuckfan insk]

So basically the entire article is off base then, quality.

pretty much... sounds like sports journalism at its finest.... wait a sec did eklund break that story?

 

[onetimer]

Wow, hes a bust already and hasnt played a minute of pro hockey?

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Carolina will draft him in the 4th round. They love re-entries. Vagner, Zepp, Zigomanis, Fiedler.... the list goes on and on.

Looks like they should stop wasting picks.....

 

[PecaFan]

If he had stayed at college, he would have become an UFA at August 15th 2007, after his graduation.

Section 8.6 (c)(i) of the CBA:
If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

That's the new CBA. Isn't it the old that one that applies to him?

 

[Letang fan 58]

That's the new CBA. Isn't it the old that one that applies to him?

He was drafted during the OLD CBA......so I think the old cba rules apply to him, just as the players drafted in the old cba make more on rookie contracts and didnt get forced to less like the rooks on the new cba.

 

[bleedgreen]

The Hurricanes have a tendency to pick up players that others let re-enter the draft (Willis, Zigomanis, Vagner, Zepp, etc.) so it wouldn't shock me in the least to see them use a 5th or something along those lines on picking up Thelen. Seems like the kind of project player that JR goes after every few years.

of course he has had little success with that so youd think he'd learn - but i agreed with you ....if anyone jumps the gun drafting this kid it'll be the canes.

 

[State of Hockey]

Wow, hes a bust already and hasnt played a minute of pro hockey?

If a top prospect doesn't get re-signed by the Wild, it isn't looking good. His chances to be a regular NHLer are very low.

 

[Redwingsfan]

of course he has had little success with that so youd think he'd learn - but i agreed with you ....if anyone jumps the gun drafting this kid it'll be the canes.

i thought it was allready settled that he wasnt eligible for the 07 draft

 

[bleedgreen]

i thought it was allready settled that he wasnt eligible for the 07 draft

based on what im reading here its as clear as mud what the real situation is. i know what youre saying but others are obviously still picking it apart. im just saying if he does go back in the canes are a definite possiblity. not sure what the problem with saying that is.

 

[Rick Deckard]

That's the new CBA. Isn't it the old that one that applies to him?

He was drafted during the OLD CBA......so I think the old cba rules apply to him, just as the players drafted in the old cba make more on rookie contracts and didnt get forced to less like the rooks on the new cba.

No, the new CBA applies to all of them.

Otherwise you would still hold the rights of all your unsigned european prospects because these rights wouldn't expire under the old CBA, where they were drafted. Conclusion, it doesn't matter under what CBA a player was drafted.

As previously said, Minnesota will lose Thelens rights at 1st June 2008, if they don't sign him before. As he is still property of the Wild, he will not reenter the Draft.

For the compensatory pick, the Wild don't get one this Draft, because Thelens rights doesn't expire. They get the 42nd pick in the 2008 Entry Draft, if they can't sign him before 1st June 2008, but they have to make a bonafide offer for him, and Thelen has to reject it. Otherwise they don't get a compensatory pick.

 

[Redwingsfan]

based on what im reading here its as clear as mud what the real situation is. i know what youre saying but others are obviously still picking it apart. im just saying if he does go back in the canes are a definite possiblity. not sure what the problem with saying that is.

because there is no if hes going back in.

 

[Midnight]

He was drafted during the OLD CBA......so I think the old cba rules apply to him, just as the players drafted in the old cba make more on rookie contracts and didnt get forced to less like the rooks on the new cba.

No, the new CBA applies to everyone without exception. The only reason the older draftees have a different entry level salary max is that the new CBA explicitly says in Exhibit 16(3)(a) that those draftees can be given the maximum base salary specified in the previous CBA. In other words, old CBA rules apply only if the new CBA explicitly grandfathers them under the new agreement.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

No, the new CBA applies to everyone without exception. The only reason the older draftees have a different entry level salary max is that the new CBA explicitly says in Exhibit 16(3)(a) that those draftees can be given the maximum base salary specified in the previous CBA. In other words, old CBA rules apply only if the new CBA explicitly grandfathers them under the new agreement.

Exactly. Under the old CBA, the Wild would have had until June 1, 2006 to retain the rights to Thelen (the "Mike Van Ryn" loophole) when Thelen left college for the WHL - but the new CBA wiped that loophole away. The key here is how Exhibit 16(2)(i) is applied:

For Unsigned Draft Choices in college who were drafted in the 2004 Entry Draft or before (or who subsequently became bona fide college students since being drafted), such Players will be subject to the Article 9 provisions governing college players. For Unsigned Draft Choices who were drafted from college, but who have subsequently left college and announced a commitment to play hockey elsewhere in North America or Europe, a Club's exclusive negotiating rights to such Players will automatically be extended through and including June 1, 2007.

So ... when did Thelen announce he was leaving school and going to the WHL, and at what point does the latter half of the above take effect? My personal take: if Thelen announced he was leaving prior to the new CBA being ratified, then the Wild retain his rights until June 1; if it was after the new CBA was ratified, then the Wild should have his rights until August 15.

But this is the source of disagreement here. I'll leave it to everyone else to fight it out.

 

[sk84fun_dc]

Exactly. Under the old CBA, the Wild would have had until June 1, 2006 to retain the rights to Thelen (the "Mike Van Ryn" loophole) when Thelen left college for the WHL - but the new CBA wiped that loophole away. The key here is how Exhibit 16(2)(i) is applied:

So ... when did Thelen announce he was leaving school and going to the WHL, and at what point does the latter half of the above take effect? My personal take: if Thelen announced he was leaving prior to the new CBA being ratified, then the Wild retain his rights until June 1; if it was after the new CBA was ratified, then the Wild should have his rights until August 15.

But this is the source of disagreement here. I'll leave it to everyone else to fight it out.

I thought Thelen was dismissed from the MSU team/left in March 05. He started playing in the WHL the next season 05-06.

 

[habscout]

I read this blurb about Thelen's departure from his Michigan State back in March, 2005. It mentioned that he was dismissed from the team, but that his scholarship would still be intact so long as he kept his academic eligibility. I have to suspect that he has some personal problems that someone is not willing to discuss on the record. Together with an up-and-down pattern to his last 4 seasons (2003-04 & 2005-06 were good, 2004-05 & 2006-07 were bad) must have scared the Wild away.

http://www.whlfans.ca/showthread.php?t=1228

 

[Redwingsfan]

I read this blurb about Thelen's departure from his Michigan State back in March, 2005. It mentioned that he was dismissed from the team, but that his scholarship would still be intact so long as he kept his academic eligibility. I have to suspect that he has some personal problems that someone is not willing to discuss on the record. Together with an up-and-down pattern to his last 4 seasons (2003-04 & 2005-06 were good, 2004-05 & 2006-07 were bad) must have scared the Wild away.

http://www.whlfans.ca/showthread.php?t=1228

im sorry. going WAAAAYYY of topic here, but can you tell me what the star next to your username means???lol.

 

[Bluenote13]

One player I admit I was 100% wrong with. I thought he had the potential to be amazing.

Alot of us did

 

[Hello Johnny]

did that pick come out of thin air? how did they get it?...if anyone already said something on this im sorry but im just too laazy to read all of these

 

[Transported Upstater]

im sorry. going WAAAAYYY of topic here, but can you tell me what the star next to your username means???lol.

See that "Become a Sponsor" thing next to your "User CP" on the red toolbar?

Click on it and give HFBoards money.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I thought Thelen was dismissed from the MSU team/left in March 05. He started playing in the WHL the next season 05-06.

Ah ... that clears things up. I wasn't up on my '04 draft class history. Then the Wild will indeed have his rights until June 1, 2007.

did that pick come out of thin air? how did they get it?...if anyone already said something on this im sorry but im just too laazy to read all of these

Read and learn. If you can't put forth the effort, I'm not explaining it.