Speculation: The Wings are interested in Horvat

[Shaman464]

For millions of years, professional sports player unions fought hard and long for the right to free agency to increase players negotiating positions, because, oddly, it was thought that dealing with every team, instead of just one team was advantageous to the individual player.

That has seemingly suddenly changed now that Dylan Larkin is about to become a free agent. At least in the mind of one poster.

No further questions, your honor.

For millions of years? So when Australopithecus afarensis were barely figuring out how to walk upright there were sport leagues? And hate to break it to you but the NHLPA is probably the most ineffective sports union in North America and the last 3 CBAs have been very tilted towards ownership. The NHL requires the most years before a player can enter free agency, the lowest and most inflexible salary cap and a very stringent baseline player contract. But your lukewarm takes are hilarious.

 

[StargateSG1]

For millions of years? So when Australopithecus afarensis were barely figuring out how to walk upright there were sport leagues? And hate to break it to you but the NHLPA is probably the most ineffective sports union in North America and the last 3 CBAs have been very tilted towards ownership. The NHL requires the most years before a player can enter free agency, the lowest and most inflexible salary cap and a very stringent baseline player contract. But your lukewarm takes are hilarious.

So that's what Abdelkared was!

 

[dirtydanglez]

hockey trade. larkin for horvat

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

hockey trade. larkin for horvat

Larkin as a rental, Is worth Horvat extended+Boeser.

Plus Larkin isn't leaving one Non-Playoff team for another.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Larkin as a rental, Is worth Horvat extended+Boeser.

Plus Larkin isn't leaving one Non-Playoff team for another.

if the money is right he will.

a change of scenery for both.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Why wouldn't he stick around? Grew up a Red Wings fan. Plus his family home is only 90 minutes away from Detroit. I can see Bo Horvat extending long term with Detroit more than any other team that pursues him.

Great. Get him in UFA.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Great. Get him in UFA.

Would be nice, Only problem there are no guarantees he makes it to free agency.

if the money is right he will.

a change of scenery for both.

So Allvin/Rutherford won't pay Horvat $8,000,000 but they'd pay Larkin $9,500,000+ I'd truly love to see that.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Would be nice, Only problem there are no guarantees he makes it to free agency.


So Allvin/Rutherford won't pay Horvat $8,000,000 but they'd pay Larkin $9,500,000+ I'd truly love to see that.

i dont know the numbers but i wouldnt be surprised if negotiations arent going well currently in both cases.

 

[lilidk]

Would you guys do a top 3 protected 1st + wallinder + Zadina for horvat extended?

You mean like 3 probably NHL players for 1 very good,

 

[GreatGordie9]

Might get a good C in this years draft on top of these 4.

I wouldn't bet on Vrana though being with the Wings.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

hockey trade. larkin for horvat

Larkin would not go to that shit show of a team. The ownership, management and locker room are a mess and who knows who will be coaching in a week.

You really want Horvath via trade, prepare to give up one of Edvinsson or Kasper just to get talks started. The Rasmussen + Zadina + packages are laughable.

 

[Pavels Dog]

You really want Horvath via trade, prepare to give up one of Edvinsson or Kasper just to get talks started. The Rasmussen + Zadina + packages are laughable.

There's a middle ground between Edvinsson/Kasper and Ras/Zadina.

The problem is that Canucks reportedly want young centers and RHD, two areas that we don't have many expandable players in. Even if we re-sign Larkin and bring in Horvat, Kasper is still very, very important to our long-term center depth.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Larkin would not go to that shit show of a team. The ownership, management and locker room are a mess and who knows who will be coaching in a week.

You really want Horvath via trade, prepare to give up one of Edvinsson or Kasper just to get talks started. The Rasmussen + Zadina + packages are laughable.

thats not what the canucks are looking for. they are not looking to rebuild according to their gm

 

[Snuggs]

I just don't see how anything with Horvat makes sense without Larkin resign or Horvat coming back our way with an extension in place.

If you tell me we can get Horvat signed for around 8 and Larkin goes the other way resigned for 9-10 or whatever he wants, then sure! Can't see the Canucks not wanting to pay Horvat then down to pay more for Larkin though. Just my opinion.

 

[Ricelund]

hockey trade. larkin for horvat

That's the opposite of a hockey trade... they'd be swapped for contractual reasons.

 

[dirtydanglez]

That's the opposite of a hockey trade... they'd be swapped for contractual reasons.

contracts are a part of every trade. no buying or selling just swapping two guys in need of a change.

 

[Ezekial]

Larkin would not go to that shit show of a team. The ownership, management and locker room are a mess and who knows who will be coaching in a week.

You really want Horvath via trade, prepare to give up one of Edvinsson or Kasper just to get talks started. The Rasmussen + Zadina + packages are laughable.

You're on the other side of the spectrum of wrong. We won't have to prepare for that as yzerman wouldn't do it without the guarantee of a long term extension. Vancouver won't let Horvat negotiate a long term extension before trade so giving up a real big asset like that won't happen. Yzerman would wait till the offseason or cut bait due to lack of worth.
I agree at the same time that many of the proposals are lacking, though.

 

[Stony Curtis]

If we got Horvat, how many seasons before the pro Horvat crowd start whining about this mediocre team and begin calling for a rebuild. That's what I want to know.

Lol. Games, not seasons. Kneejerkers gonna kneejerk.

 

[Inspiration]

If you made a Venn diagram of the players Yzerman was rumored to be interested in trading for while in Detroit, and the players he actually traded for - it would just be two circles with no overlap.

 

[SoupNazi]

If you made a Venn diagram of the players Yzerman was rumored to be interested in trading for while in Detroit, and the players he actually traded for - it would just be two circles with no overlap.

This is true. I'm not sure we're ever going to see Yzerman pull off the massive trade for the big name that some are hoping for; it hasn't been his style yet, and probably never will be.

I think Yzerman will probably keep making the more incremental trades like the ones we've seen (the Leddy deal, etc). As much as I'd love to see him pull off a Lindholm deal I'm not sure it's ever going to happen.

 

[Ricelund]

This is true. I'm not sure we're ever going to see Yzerman pull off the massive trade for the big name that some are hoping for; it hasn't been his style yet, and probably never will be.

I think Yzerman will probably keep making the more incremental trades like the ones we've seen (the Leddy deal, etc). As much as I'd love to see him pull off a Lindholm deal I'm not sure it's ever going to happen.

Really? He pulled off some pretty big deals in Tampa:

- Drouin for Sergachev
- Namestnikov + 1st for McDonagh and Miller
- Conacher for Bishop
- St. Louis for Callahan

I believe TB was also in on Karlsson before he went to SJ.

 

[SoupNazi]

Really? He pulled off some pretty big deals in Tampa:

- Drouin for Sergachev
- Namestnikov + 1st for McDonagh and Miller
- Conacher for Bishop
- St. Louis for Callahan

I believe TB was also in on Karlsson before he went to SJ.

Yeah, but so far here he's shown a different style. Maybe once we're contending it'll be different and we'll start trying to trade for more of the big fish.

I'm also not entirely convinced that these are serious discussions about trades, when we're shown to have interest, as they are simply our front office doing it's due diligence on these deals.

 

[Ricelund]

Yeah, but so far here he's shown a different style. Maybe once we're contending it'll be different and we'll start trying to trade for more of the big fish.

I'm also not entirely convinced that these are serious discussions about trades, when we're shown to have interest, as they are simply our front office doing it's due diligence on these deals.

The Mantha trade was a pretty big move.

I think there's a lot of potential for fireworks in the next few months given the Larkin/Bertuzzi/Vrana situations.

I agree on the rumors though, I doubt there's much substance to any of these leaks.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Really? He pulled off some pretty big deals in Tampa:

- Drouin for Sergachev
- Namestnikov + 1st for McDonagh and Miller
- Conacher for Bishop
- St. Louis for Callahan

I believe TB was also in on Karlsson before he went to SJ.

Yeah most of those trades were obvious and predictable. Everyone knew St.Louis and Drouin were getting shipped. The McDonaugh trade was widely rumoured as well.

I guess it’s just more predictable what a contender needs to do/add and which players maybe don’t fit in.

Bottom feeders can go in So many different directions… making it a lot less obvious what will happen.

I’ve had a sense this Horvat thing has some legs. And I was getting that feeling last off-season… even before media started linking Wings. Mostly because I think Bo would be intigued by playing in Detroit. Whether it’s trade or later on in free agency, I could see Detroit being interested.

 

[StargateSG1]

Yeah most of those trades were obvious and predictable. Everyone knew St.Louis and Drouin were getting shipped. The McDonaugh trade was widely rumoured as well.

I guess it’s just more predictable what a contender needs to do/add and which players maybe don’t fit in.

Bottom feeders can go in So many different directions… making it a lot less obvious what will happen.

I’ve had a sense this Horvat thing has some legs. And I was getting that feeling last off-season… even before media started linking Wings. Mostly because I think Bo would be intigued by playing in Detroit. Whether it’s trade or later on in free agency, I could see Detroit being interested.

There is an Athletic article on Horvat out there, Wings are listed as # 8 of 8 with them saying it ain't gonna happen, but they "inquired"