The "Tanking" And/Or Other Roster Moves Discussion Thread

[Cyclones Rock]

CBJ have scored 15 goals in their last 8 games. That's less than 2 goals per game. They've gotten 6 points over that span-which is probably the maximum amount that they could have.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Connor McDavid has more points (13) in his last 3+ games (current game at end of 2nd period) than the season-leading CBJ scorer has in 19 games.

That's just not all about him being so good.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Given the precedent Torts and Jarmo have sent, I see this as nothing more than a parody thread.
Tanking is not in the organizations DNA

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[DarkandStormy]

3 regulation wins, no wins by multiple goals. It may not be by design, but this team is tanking.

 

[blahblah]

3 regulation wins, no wins by multiple goals. It may not be by design, but this team is tanking.

As bad as we're playing we've still managed to get to 7-8-4. I doubt we're as bad as we've been playing so I doubt we'll "tank". We'll probably miss the playoffs, but we'll probably be in the pick range that annoys our fan base.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Maybe someone can help me here. Doesn't "tanking" involve intent?

 

[ClevelandJacketFan]

Maybe someone can help me here. Doesn't "tanking" involve intent?

It does, but it doesn't mean intent from the players.

Looking at what the Jackets did in the offseason, I do believe Jarmo's intent was to tank this year.

 

[Ice9]

You can tank your ass off but do your odd get better than 15%-18%?

 

[majormajor]

Looking at what the Jackets did in the offseason, I do believe Jarmo's intent was to tank this year.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't. We had reports of Jarmo making lots of calls to help improve the team. He was pursuing Zuccarello, called Marner, etc..., and he ultimately signed Nyquist to a much better contract than those guys got. The team was returning 5 20 goal scorers, the D was set, and Jarmo made the call on the G's, which has looked better and better. He thought, and the whole team thought, that they'd have a better record than this. I think they still think they're a better team than this.

You can tank your ass off but do your odd get better than 15%-18%?

18.5%? That's the best odds you can get for Lafreniere.

 

[NotWendell]

Anybody you guys want? Trade winds blowing through Minnesota? — The Fourth Period

 

[Cowumbus]

Anybody you guys want? Trade winds blowing through Minnesota? — The Fourth Period

Honestly, not really. Except Kaprizov which isn’t happening

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Anybody you guys want? Trade winds blowing through Minnesota? — The Fourth Period

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Kevin Fiala. Great speed, 23 goals/48 points 2 seasons ago. Cap hit $3 million and only 23 years old.

 

[majormajor]

The one guy I want from Minnesota is Eric Staal. We need a bridge 2C until Tex/Bemstrom/somebody else can do it. He's on pace for another 50+ pt season, and on a great contract. Not the best player overall at this stage but he produces.

 

[Viqsi]

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Kevin Fiala. Great speed, 23 goals/48 points 2 seasons ago. Cap hit $3 million and only 23 years old.

He also turns over the puck so often he'll drive you mad in short order.

 

[EspenK]

He also turns over the puck so often he'll drive you mad in short order.

He'd make Milano look better?

 

[Viqsi]

He'd make Milano look better?

For the record, I wouldn't mind going after him and giving him a shot; I'd just be a little touchy w/r/t the price to be paid.

 

[puckthat]

Well we play a banged up Montreal and then Detroit this week. If they can't take these two as a way to jump start the team, then I'd say the tank is o.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Well we play a banged up Montreal and then Detroit this week. If they can't take these two as a way to jump start the team, then I'd say the tank is o.

We also get Ottawa before Thanksgiving.

 

[majormajor]

I've come to loathe the discussion around these supposed "easy games". There is so much parity in this league. Ottawa has won 6 of 10. The one recent exception was last year's Bolts, but we crushed them when it mattered, and Ottawa of all teams, which finished dead last, still managed to win their season series vs Tampa. There are no easy games and they don't tell you that much about your season.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I’m curious what it’d take to pry Johnny Hockey out of Calgary

 

[Viqsi]

I’m curious what it’d take to pry Johnny Hockey out of Calgary

Been looking at the threads discussing same on TR&FA and they keep talking about needs at center. I think on a good day one might be able to sell some fans on a Werenski swap, but they've got so many LD already that I haven't tried asking.

 

[OscarsCards]

I'm wondering when The Tank course will be set to go down south. Will Tortorella's sacking help to the cause? I think he's cool and that isn't his fault that this team's talent is mediocre at best but the the best thing is that this roster is one of the youngest in the league so this could be a good team in a few seasons.

But to achieve something y'all need some real high end talent but to get high end talent there will be sacrifices. So who will get sacked? Dubinsky, Foligno?

 

[DarkandStormy]

I'm wondering when The Tank course will be set to go down south. Will Tortorella's sacking help to the cause? I think he's cool and that isn't his fault that this team's talent is mediocre at best but the the best thing is that this roster is one of the youngest in the league so this could be a good team in a few seasons.

But to achieve something y'all need some real high end talent but to get high end talent there will be sacrifices. So who will get sacked? Dubinsky, Foligno?

Well, Jarmo defended Torts in The Athletic today. So I don't think he's getting canned any time soon. He's the 7th-longest tenured coached in the NHL.

Here's what I expect:
-Flounder around .500 for a few months - basically, that playoff cut line is seemingly always within reach. This will force Jarmo to buy or sell at the deadline.
-I anticipate selling at the TDL - probably a defenseman, like a Savard or Murray type.
-At least one buyout this summer -> probably Dubinsky, but I can see the case for Wennberg.

We won't enter next season significantly different (other than addition by subtraction) but Jarmo will tell us we've turned the corner and he believes in the group he has.

 

[majormajor]

I'm wondering when The Tank course will be set to go down south. Will Tortorella's sacking help to the cause? I think he's cool and that isn't his fault that this team's talent is mediocre at best but the the best thing is that this roster is one of the youngest in the league so this could be a good team in a few seasons.

But to achieve something y'all need some real high end talent but to get high end talent there will be sacrifices. So who will get sacked? Dubinsky, Foligno?

We've kind of talked this to death. Tanking wouldn't work for the Jackets. I could give you my explanation but I think you'd figure out everyone's positions by reading some of the thread.

Edit: feel compelled to ask - how do we achieve this tanking objective by removing Dubinsky or Foligno, again? Teams tank by selling off their good older players. But our best players are Dubois, Jones, Werenski, etc.. Kids. We can't trade our best players to get worse, and we can't get worse trading our worst players....