Cowumbus
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Admit the team sucks. Trade away older players who are overrated. Tank? Prosper.
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Admit the team sucks. Trade away older players who are overrated. Tank. Prosper.
Go Jackets. 3 terrible games in a row, plz not a fourth.
Jenner Savard maybe Atkinson Foligno have value.We don't have many older players nor many older players who are of much value. It's the youngest team in the league, the roster looks like a team that has already gone through a rebuild. Also if you have followed teams that really did sell off all of their older guys (Edmonton and Buffalo about ten years ago) you wouldn't want to emulate that.
And there was a big difference between last night's game and the two before that. Two blowouts vs an evenly played road game against the Blues.
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I would happily suck to have the best player in the world on my team for 15-20 years.
Jenner Savard maybe Foligno have value.
So should we stay in limbo and continue to win a series every 20 years or so? At some point you need to suck for a while and build up your team. Finishing 10-20 every year will never improve your team.Yeah that's why they have the draft lottery, so that no one happily sucks, so that some teams just get lucky.
And even then how lucky have teams been with tanking? The last ten #1 OA picks, starting with 2010:
Oilers - sucked for the following ten years, one playoff run.
Oilers - ditto.
Oilers - ditto.
Avs - made the playoffs 3 times out of 6, finally won a series last year (6 years after the draft)
Panthers - one playoffs in the five years since, no series wins.
Oilers - okay I'd do it for McDavid.
Leafs - zero series wins, Matthews is seriously overpaid already.
Devils - awful
Sabres - might have turned the corner this year.
Devils - awful.
These are the teams you want to be like?
So should we stay in limbo and continue to win a series every 20 years or so? At some point you need to suck for a while and build up your team. Finishing 10-20 every year will never improve your team.
But I’ve been hearing this for 6 years and we have made zero progress. Also show me where you got that information.They're the youngest team in the league. The best players are kids. They need to let them mature. Did you see St. Louis vs Boston last Spring? Neither team was built by sucking. The Oilers and Sabres were built by sucking.
They're the youngest team in the league. The best players are kids. They need to let them mature. Did you see St. Louis vs Boston last Spring? Neither team was built by sucking. The Oilers and Sabres were built by sucking.
But I’ve been hearing this for 6 years and we have made zero progress..
Also show me where you got that information.
Of last 10 Stanley Cup Champs, 8 were led by a #1OA or 2OA. 6 of the 10 were anchored by a #1 with a 2, 3 or 4.Here's a graph of average draft position by team. Notice the correlation between draft position and team success? Me neither!
Of last 10 Stanley Cup Champs, 8 were led by a #1OA or 2OA. 6 of the 10 were anchored by a #1 with a 2, 3 or 4.
10/13/15 Hawks...Kane #1/Toews #3
11 Bruins none
12/14 Kings #2 Doughty
16/17 Pens #1 Crosby/#2 Malkin
18 Caps #1 OV/#4 Backstrom
19 Blues none
See any correlation?
Average draft position by team based on what? Is this over the life of the franchise, over the past 20 years?Maybe try paying more attention for the next six. They're 4th in the league in wins over the last three years. They just won a playoff series last Spring before their two superstars (both undrafted by the way) walked away, weakening the team for reasons clearly unrelated to draft position.
Sizing up the NHL: 2019-20 NHL teams by age, height, weight...
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Here's a graph of average draft position by team. Notice the correlation between draft position and team success? Me neither!
Boston is clearly the top team in the league so far this year, and their best players are:
Pastrnak - 25th OA
Bergeron - 45th OA
Marchand - 71st OA
Krejci - 63rd OA
McAvoy - 14th OA
Rask - 21st OA
Imagine them in 2008 saying "we haven't been drafting high enough, we should just sell off these players".
Columbus is not able to GET undrafted superstars and retain them, because nobody at that level wants to play here. Exactly why that level of talent needs to be acquired through the draft.I see 7 star players drafted top 2. What about the other 33 players drafted in the top 2 over the last couple decades, including our own Rick Nash and Ryan Murray? We just had two undrafted superstars, both of whom were better than either of those two guys. You'd think that if any fanbase would know that not all great players come from the top of the draft, that it would be this one.
Average draft position by team based on what? Is this over the life of the franchise, over the past 20 years?
It’s way way way different. Krejci, Marchand, Bergeron, Kessel, Lucic all drafted before 2008. 1990-2008 Boston made the playoffs 13/18 years. The year they won the cup their top4 scorers were under 25.
The point is that the Bruins were already loaded with talent before they drafted any of their core for the Cup, the reason they made the playoffs basically every year.CBJ aren’t even close to that.I don't know what your point is. Are you saying that it doesn't count because they drafted some of those guys ten+ years ago? What's the relevance here?
The average draft position graph is average draft position of players on the current team.
I see 7 star players drafted top 2. What about the other 33 players drafted in the top 2 over the last couple decades, including our own Rick Nash and Ryan Murray? We just had two undrafted superstars, both of whom were better than either of those two guys. You'd think that if any fanbase would know that not all great players come from the top of the draft, that it would be this one.
The point is that the Bruins were already loaded with talent before they drafted any of their core for the Cup, the reason they made the playoffs basically every year.CBJ aren’t even close to that.
what you really should be looking at is the average draft position of each teams top3-5 scorers (the people who actually win games)
They didn't make the playoffs every year. They missed 4 out of 8 times from 2000 to 2008 (when their entire cup core was acquired) and never won a round. Sound familiar?
Why do you think I posted this list?
Pastrnak - 25th OA
Bergeron - 45th OA
Marchand - 71st OA
Krejci - 63rd OA
McAvoy - 14th OA
Rask - 21st OA
You should be able to guess that the average is low, not even first round on average.
In their cup year it was:
Lucic - 50th OA
Bergeron - 45th OA
Marchand - 71st OA
Krejci - 63rd OA
Chara - 56th OA
Thomas - 217th OA
You obviously aren’t getting my point. And I’m not just talking about Boston, not sure what’s do hard to get about that. You choose to talk about Boston because it’s an anomaly rather than any other team led by top5 picks.
they were already good 13/18 seasons making the playoffs and every year they didn’t they fired the coach, because they expected to make the playoffs. Oh well. Agree to disagree I guess.
The best part about tanking is it carries the suffering over into the summer when the Jackets get the 4/5OA and then we complain because the strategy didn’t work.