The Speculation Thread Part II (Trades,rumors, etc.)
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what do you mean, "not like there is space for him next season anyways?"
we have the following UFA forwards this summer:
Ryder
Gomez
Bernier
Jagr
Havlat
Tootoo
we have like 7 forwards signed for next year. there is plenty of room for him.
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I think it's important to note that "Boucher is a very promising young player" and "Boucher has a very little chance of reaching Evander Kane's level" are not mutually exclusive lines of thought.
Worst Trade-Deadline Deals
Here is a piece on the Devils' worst trade-deadline deals. What do you guys think?
http://alongtheboards.com/2015/02/devils-top-5-worst-trade-deadline-deals/
Here is a piece on the Devils' worst trade-deadline deals. What do you guys think?
http://alongtheboards.com/2015/02/devils-top-5-worst-trade-deadline-deals/
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I was actually thinking that package with Jagr in it would be something that would interest Wpg IF IF IF they are hell bent on dumping Kane. It would free up a long salary commitment for them with the cap likely dropping, perhaps as much as $5M (depending on how far down the loonie goes, and if the PA doesn't use the escalator). This is cap space they can save or put towards other players they want to lock up.
Jagr would be a great veteran for their playoff run and come off their books at the end of the season. A 2nd as a sweetener (preferably 2016), would also enable them to make another deadline move this year if so desired.
So, yeah, in terms of talent and age, Jagr and a 2 (plus Matteau?) seems like a gross underpayment. But in the context of why WPG is considering trading Kane, it might be exactly what they want.
Plus it helps we are in the East. Kane can't come back to bite them.
Jagr would be a great veteran for their playoff run and come off their books at the end of the season. A 2nd as a sweetener (preferably 2016), would also enable them to make another deadline move this year if so desired.
So, yeah, in terms of talent and age, Jagr and a 2 (plus Matteau?) seems like a gross underpayment. But in the context of why WPG is considering trading Kane, it might be exactly what they want.
Plus it helps we are in the East. Kane can't come back to bite them.
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Tim Campbell @FPTimCampbell 36s37 seconds ago
Paul Maurice says Evander Kane will have shoulder surgery soon, recovery time 4-6 months. #NHLJets #bn
Paul Maurice says Evander Kane will have shoulder surgery soon, recovery time 4-6 months. #NHLJets #bn
Emperoreddy
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Puts the trade talk to bed IMO. Nothing is going to go down right now. Jets get him out of the locker room like they wanted without losing him just yet.
This pretty much screams draft day deal to me, especially if the Jets can secure a playoff spot without him.
Emperoreddy
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True. Much more comfortable trading the 1st if its like 8-11 and we know it is.
Most likely what it would take on draft day from most teams. A 1st will be involved.
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-Zids for Pulkinnen, Det boards say they need PMD if I say it enough maybe it happens
-Jags for Rattie, St L has ton of wing prospects
-Bernier to Pitt for pick, boards say they need bottom F depth with strength
-Harrold or similar to The Island for free (or whatever they can get) would grabner be an option with a sweetener, grabs finding it crowded @ Fwd
-Ryder to St Peters Prep JV squad or for practice pucks
-Gomez is cheap and might help bottom F, maybe Isles too, but they have no pick until 3rd round this yr
-Havlat whatever you can get
-Tootoo ditto
-Zubs double ditto
-Ruutuu back to Car for Semin (salary retained, but not as much b/c they retained for Ruutuu to come here)
-Gelly for Yak straight up, but Edm wont go for it
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-Jags for Rattie, St L has ton of wing prospects
-Bernier to Pitt for pick, boards say they need bottom F depth with strength
-Harrold or similar to The Island for free (or whatever they can get) would grabner be an option with a sweetener, grabs finding it crowded @ Fwd
-Ryder to St Peters Prep JV squad or for practice pucks
-Gomez is cheap and might help bottom F, maybe Isles too, but they have no pick until 3rd round this yr
-Havlat whatever you can get
-Tootoo ditto
-Zubs double ditto
-Ruutuu back to Car for Semin (salary retained, but not as much b/c they retained for Ruutuu to come here)
-Gelly for Yak straight up, but Edm wont go for it
Flame away!
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Fans usually have a different perception of players' values than what they really are on the market. It's possible that mini bidding wars for Zids and Jagr could drive up their prices for contending teams that are filling a specific need as well as trying to keep rivals from acquiring those players for themselves. I can tell you now though, that DET and STL board members would say 'never' to those deals. I doubt that they interest the respective teams, they'll want to pay less.
The first one is my current "best case scenario" deadline deal. But there's no way STL gives up a prospect like Rattie for 2ish months of 45-point Jagr.
Who cares? Call up Boucher, Matteau, Black, Pelley, Janssen, they won't be up for too long anyway. And it's probably a moot point because Zubrus and Havlat are immovable, IMO, same with Ruutu. I think a team would LOVE to take Bernier though, he could be a real x-factor for a team looking to shore up depth.
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With Detroit's depth I could possibly see Lou squeeze Pulkinnen out of them. They have more RW than they know what to do with. They haven't won it all in a while (they must be getting itchy) and with Babcock's contract up it's possible it could be done.
I think Jagr brings back a 3rd line prospect or a 2nd on his own. Some NSH fans said they'd give their 1st for him but I don't know about that.
Seriously, who cares who we ice? We have enough to bring up plus some of these deals will require us to take back duds to fill spots.
Emperoreddy
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It goes both ways. There could be little interest and potential value drops.
All the things we complain about about jagr (lack of speed, the penalites) scouts notice too and could seriously hurt value.
This idea that value is high and can only go higher is just false.
It wouldn't surprise me if some GM prefers ryder over Jagr becayse of age and thinking Ryder's woes have to do with the team and not him.
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It would be nuts if we could grab Pulkinnen in a deal with Detroit. I definitely agree with you that they could be looking to make a splash since they haven't in a while.
As far as Jagr goes, I think it's more realistic to look for a good prospect+conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if the team makes the Conference/Cup Finals. If the trade partner is desperate enough.
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All very true. The dynamics have to account for supply and demand as well though. That's how Martin Erat brings back Forsberg.
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