The Seattle Expansion Draft

[10Ducky10]

Does anyone know which members of the Jets won't have to be protected?
Are the rules the same as the Vegas draft?
Will KV qualify for the draft?
Niku? Poolman? Stanley? Kovacevic? Berdin?

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[raideralex99]

Same rules as Vegas draft.
Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed

 

[BatVader]

per Capfriendly
Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[raideralex99]

It's easier to list the player or pick the Jets give up in the expansion draft.
1. Draft pick
2. Copp
3. Roslovic
4. Lowry
I hate to lose a player but imo I think that's better than giving up a draft pick.

 

[raideralex99]

FORWARDS	AGE	POS	CAP HIT	EXPIRY	40/70
NMC-Waived Wheeler, Blake	33	RW	$8,250,000	UFA (2024)	-
Connor, Kyle	23	LW	$7,142,857	UFA (2026)	-
Laine, Patrik	22	LW	$6,750,000	RFA (2021)	-
Scheifele, Mark	27	C	$6,125,000	UFA (2024)	-
Ehlers, Nikolaj	24	RW	$6,000,000	UFA (2025)	-
Little, Bryan	32	C	$5,291,666	UFA (2024)	-
Perreault, Mathieu	32	LW	$4,125,000	UFA (2021)	-
Eakin, Cody	28	C	$3,850,000	UFA (2020)	-
Lowry, Adam	27	C	$2,916,666	UFA (2021)	-
Copp, Andrew	25	C	$2,280,000	RFA (2021)	-
Roslovic, Jack	23	RW	$894,166	RFA (2020)	-
Harkins, Jansen	22	C	$767,500	RFA (2020)	-
Shore, Nick	27	C	$750,000	UFA (2020)	-
Spacek, Michael	23	C	$750,000	RFA (2020)	-
Appleton, Mason	24	RW	$741,667	RFA (2020)	-
McKenzie, Skyler	22	C	$741,666	RFA (2021)	-
Letestu, Mark	35	C	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Griffith, Seth	27	RW	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Bourque, Gabriel	29	LW	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Suess, C.J.	26	LW	$700,000	RFA (2020)	-
Lipon, JC	26	RW	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Shaw, Logan	27	C	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Telegin, Ivan	28	LW	$0		-

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DEFENSE	AGE	POS	CAP HIT	EXPIRY	40/70
Kulikov, Dmitry	29	D	$4,333,333	UFA (2020)	-
Morrissey, Joshua	25	D	$6,250,000	UFA (2028)	-
Pionk, Neal	24	D	$3,000,000	RFA (2021)	-
Beaulieu, Nathan	27	D	$1,000,000	UFA (2020)	-
DeMelo, Dylan	26	D	$900,000	UFA (2020)	-
Stanley, Logan	21	D	$863,333	RFA (2021)	-
Dahlström, Carl	25	D	$850,000	RFA (2021)	-
Niku, Sami	23	D	$775,000	RFA (2020)	-
Poolman, Tucker	26	D	$775,000	UFA (2021)	-
Sbisa, Luca	30	D	$750,000	UFA (2020)	-
Green, Luke	22	D	$733,333	RFA (2021)	-
Schilling, Cameron	31	D	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-
Nogier, Nelson	23	D	$700,000	RFA (2020)	-
Bitetto, Anthony	29	D	$700,000	UFA (2020)	-

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GOALTENDER	AGE	POS	CAP HIT	EXPIRY
Hellebuyck, Connor	26	G	$6,166,666	UFA (2024)
Brossoit, Laurent	27	G	$1,225,000	UFA (2020)
Berdin, Mikhail	22	G	$758,333	RFA (2021)
Comrie, Eric	24	G	$700,000	RFA (2021)

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EXEMPT	AGE	POS	CAP HIT	EXPIRY
Vesalainen, Kristian	20	LW	$894,167	RFA (2022)
Gustafsson, David	20	C	$817,500	RFA (2022)
Chibisov, Andrei	27	RW	$792,500	UFA (2020)
Luoto, Joona	22	LW	$741,667	RFA (2022)
Heinola, Ville	19	D	$925,000	RFA (2022)
Gawanke, Leon	20	D	$796,667	RFA (2022)
Kovacevic, Johnny	22	D	$792,500	RFA (2021)
Samberg, Dylan	21	D	$925,000	RFA (2023)

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[Skidooboy]

here's my protected list

Wheeler
Scheif
Connor
Laine
Ehlers
Roslovic
Appleton

Morrisey
Pionk
DeMelo

Hellebuck

 

[BatVader]

here's my protected list

Wheeler
Scheif
Connor
Laine
Ehlers
Roslovic
Appleton

Morrisey
Pionk
DeMelo

Hellebuck

If everything stays as is... I’m good with this.
My only alteration would be if we acquire a 2C, then replace Appleton with that player.

 

[Daximus]

here's my protected list

Wheeler
Scheif
Connor
Laine
Ehlers
Roslovic
Appleton

Morrisey
Pionk
DeMelo

Hellebuck

Yeah I'm good with this as well. Copp/Lowry could be an options to keep as well depending on what happens there. I think depending on how Little looks we could maybe use some prospects to get Seattle to take him off our hands and free up some cap. Maybe offer up something like Stanley, Spacek and a 2nd and they take Little. Gives us more wiggle room to maybe try and take advantage of other teams looking to offload players we could use like a 2C or top 4 RHD, so they don't lose them for nothing to Seattle or have to spend other assets to keep them.

Teams like Tampa, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Philly, Chicago, both NY teams, St. Louis, Vancouver and San Jose could find themselves stuck between having to keep a good veteran and lose a good young player looking to break in or keep a good young player and lose a veteran for nothing to Seattle. Or give up extra assets to keep all of them.
That's where we can come in and offer up futures to snag ourselves a Top 6C, potential Top 6C or a top 4 RHD or potential top 4 RHD that otherwise might not be on the block.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

So, worst case scenario... the 20-21 season isn't played due to the pandemic. All contracts go into suspended animation for a year and expire a year later than expected. Never mind whether it's likely to happen, just treat it as an intellectual exercise.

How does that leave us for the draft?

 

[Daximus]

So, worst case scenario... the 20-21 season isn't played due to the pandemic. All contracts go into suspended animation for a year and expire a year later than expected. Never mind whether it's likely to happen, just treat it as an intellectual exercise.

How does that leave us for the draft?

Well if everything is suspended and moved one more year down the line it should leave us in exactly the same place. Provided of course the NHL lets all the young guys contracts slide. If they don't then you will have guys like KV, Heinola, Gawanke, Gus, Kovacevik and Luoto up for grabs. In that scenario Seattle likely gets an even better team than Vegas did as no one really planned for that to happen so a tonne of good players would be exposed and player movement would be massive as teams try to offload extra guys to get whatever they can from teams who have spots open to protect players. It would probably be the biggest mass player migration in the history of the sport.

I think even if the 2020-21 season doesn't play out the NHL will still go forward with the expansion draft and contracts will expire as they normally would have. If there isn't a 2021-22 season then I think people have much bigger things to worry about than the expansion draft and really hockey in general as at that point it would mean the economy is likely in complete chaos and people are likely dying in huge numbers as the infection begins to enter it's 3rd year and hasn't been stopped enough for business as usual events to take place.

 

[Skidooboy]

If everything stays as is... I’m good with this.
My only alteration would be if we acquire a 2C, then replace Appleton with that player.

Appleton has a LOT of potential. I think he's was about to break out.

I think contract wise it might be better to keep Apples in that case and let Roslovic go.

 

[BatVader]

Appleton has a LOT of potential. I think he's was about to break out.

I think contract wise it might be better to keep Apples in that case and let Roslovic go.

Well, if we’re just gonna lose him to Seattle for nothing, then why not offer him up with a pick to get Cirelli out of Tampa

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well, if we’re just gonna lose him to Seattle for nothing, then why not offer him up with a pick to get Cirelli out of Tampa

I don’t think TB is going to lose Cirelli or Serg.

 

[Whileee]

here's my protected list

Wheeler
Scheif
Connor
Laine
Ehlers
Roslovic
Appleton

Morrisey
Pionk
DeMelo

Hellebuck

I keep Copp over Appleton and probably Roslovic. I keep Lowry over Appleton at this point.

 

[surixon]

The last few forward slots are where things get really interesting:

Locks:

Scheifele
Wheeler
Ehlers
Connor
Laine

That leaves Copp, Roslovic, Harkins, Appelton in the mix for the final two slots.

-Copp is an excellent player but will be one year from UFA and has everyone's favorite agent as his representative. If he's angling to leave ala Trouba I think you trade him at the entry draft and not waste a spot in him.

-Roslovic and Harkins both need long stretches at C next year to see if either or both can develop into good centers at the NHL level. If either can you protect that individual.

Appelton is nice player but he's your run of the mill bottom 6 winger and can be fairly easily replaced. No sense using a slot on him barring him showing high end third line winger upside.

Wild card is that the Jets acquire a proven top 6 C and use one of the slots on that individual.

I think the smart move is to try to get Lowry to hold off signing an extension until after the expansion draft so that we don't have to use a slot on him.

 

[Skidooboy]

Well, if we’re just gonna lose him to Seattle for nothing, then why not offer him up with a pick to get Cirelli out of Tampa

Because, maybe we could persuade Seattle to take a lesser player and a pick.

Also you assume Tampa would just make that trade...I guess while we are wishing we could all get rainbow sparkle unicorns. I have no idea what Seattle would want, how they se the player going forward...Maybe they want an arm and a leg for him and we can't afford it.....who knows?

Trades are never for sure. I can only say who on our roster I would for sure protect.

We will lose someone. Either someone we like or, possibly some picks/prospects and someone we aren't that much bothered by losing. An asset will be shed and there won't be a return. That's the game the NHL has set up. May as well accept it.

If you have different players then by all means name them.

 

[Skidooboy]

The last few forward slots are where things get really interesting:

Locks:

Scheifele
Wheeler
Ehlers
Connor
Laine

That leaves Copp, Roslovic, Harkins, Appelton in the mix for the final two slots.

-Copp is an excellent player but will be one year from UFA and has everyone's favorite agent as his representative. If he's angling to leave ala Trouba I think you trade him at the entry draft and not waste a spot in him.

-Roslovic and Harkins both need long stretches at C next year to see if either or both can develop into good centers at the NHL level. If either can you protect that individual.

Appelton is nice player but he's your run of the mill bottom 6 winger and can be fairly easily replaced. No sense using a slot on him barring him showing high end third line winger upside.

Wild card is that the Jets acquire a proven top 6 C and use one of the slots on that individual.

I think the smart move is to try to get Lowry to hold off signing an extension until after the expansion draft so that we don't have to use a slot on him.

You think Appleton is a run of the mill bottom six?
Is that how he won AHL Rookie of the year? By being a run of the mill bottom six tweener?

I think Appleton has a TON of upside. I think he had some trouble getting back to form after the foot injury and his slow start this season was rounding into form in the last 10 games. For a rookie coming off an injury I think he looked pretty good.

I'm not sure I want to pay Lowry what he's gonna ask for.

 

[Skidooboy]

I keep Copp over Appleton and probably Roslovic. I keep Lowry over Appleton at this point.

My thoughts on that are Copp might want to test free agency...he wasn't thrilled with the Jets during arbitration...he might want to see what others offer him.....

Lowry is an expense I'm not sure we can afford I think he's gonna get some interest and as much as I love his play , I might like to see another team overpay him so we can get Laine signed Lon term.

 

[Skidooboy]

whoops forgot Copp was still RFA.....so yeah Keep him I guess

 

[Skidooboy]

I still want to see what Appleton turns into.. even to the point where I choose him over Roslovic

 

[surixon]

You think Appleton is a run of the mill bottom six?
Is that how he won AHL Rookie of the year? By being a run of the mill bottom six tweener?

I think Appleton has a TON of upside. I think he had some trouble getting back to form after the foot injury and his slow start this season was rounding into form in the last 10 games. For a rookie coming off an injury I think he looked pretty good.

I'm not sure I want to pay Lowry what he's gonna ask for.

The kid is 24 years old now so he's not all that young anymore. He has paced 18 points per 82 games for his career so far. That to me is run of the mill bottom 6 production. He does have some other solid attributes but not near enough to waste a protection slot on him atm.

He'd really have to up his production to solidify himself as an elite play driving third line player.

I personally like Harkins upside more as I see more natural talent, better vision and playmaking to go along with strong positional play in all ends of the ice. He also might be able to play C in the NHL whixh to me adds a lot of value to him.

I am also not keen on paying 4 to 4.5 million for a good defensive C that doesnt produce much in Lowry.

 

[surixon]

I keep Copp over Appleton and probably Roslovic. I keep Lowry over Appleton at this point.

What if he's angling towards UFA ala Trouba?

What do you do then?

All else equal I would like to keep Copp but hed have to be committed to staying here. Given how arbitration went last year I am not counting on him committing past UFA.

 

[lanky]

Yeah, Lowry brings toughness but not enough skill for a pay raise. I won't be surprised if he gets a raise and a protection slot, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

 

[Daximus]

I keep Copp over Appleton and probably Roslovic. I keep Lowry over Appleton at this point.

We'll see what happens during Lowry negotiations, Copp I would keep as well over one of them for sure as he's still an RFA when his contract is up at the end of that year. I'd probably use some our young guys (Stanley, Harkins, Apples, Rosie) to try and move Little's cap out as well to Seattle. We'll know more about what kind of situation he is dealing with by then.

Use our recovered cap to try and go after a top 6 or potential top 6C on a team that will have issues keeping everyone. There has to be at least one team with a guy that could be a fit that will be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Daximus]

What if he's angling towards UFA ala Trouba?

What do you do then?

All else equal I would like to keep Copp but hed have to be committed to staying here. Given how arbitration went last year I am not counting on him committing past UFA.

That is definitely one side of it though by the expansion draft we should have a pretty good idea of what his intentions are. If he's resigned then you protect him if he's not by then and negotiations are going south maybe you offer him up to Seattle provided they take Little. That is pretty damn good value for an expansion team and frees up some cap for us to try and pry someone away from a team that may lose someone. Seattle gets Little whose status is up in the air but could be a middle 6 player for them or his LTIR salary is taken on to ease some financial burden and they get RFA Copp who they can sign or try and trade.