The ROR Beatification Station and Exclusion Zone (Discussion of ROR trade goes here!)

[SnuggaRUDE]

By that logic, Buffalo should trade Jack since he'll never win anything here.

I mean.... honestly if that's their goal

I'd Hershel Walker Jack in a heartbeat.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Hockey hall of fame... Here comes ROR.

THANKS BOTTS!

 

[Myllz]

Don't worry, whoever Botts picks with the #31 pick is totally gonna be better than ROR.

 

[Samsonite23]

On Spittin Chicklets, Doug Armstrong brought up that the deal needed to be done prior to July 1st due to the bonus ROR was owed. It proves that the Blues got at least a discount for getting the deal done in time. That being said, it doesn't really show that ownership needed him to be traded, just that if he was, Terry wanted it done prior to the bonus being paid.

Cool Terry...cool.

 

[Myllz]

"If I were concerned about paying out a bonus, I'd just dig anot...nope, wait, I'm concerned."

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Don't worry, whoever Botts picks with the #31 pick is totally gonna be better than ROR.

ROR was a 2nd rounder... Surely ROR++ is waiting at 31.

 

[Fezzy126]

On Spittin Chicklets, Doug Armstrong brought up that the deal needed to be done prior to July 1st due to the bonus ROR was owed. It proves that the Blues got at least a discount for getting the deal done in time. That being said, it doesn't really show that ownership needed him to be traded, just that if he was, Terry wanted it done prior to the bonus being paid.

Cool Terry...cool.

I've seen this posted literally thousands of times. Just out of curiosity,

1. Has there ever been a case of an owner paying a large bonus in order to sweeten trade value? Not trying to be a jerk, I have literally never seen something like this happen, so I can't believe it's actually discussed here, it just doesn't seem like a feasible discussion point.
2. Did Armstrong say that the bonus deadline affected what he was willing to give up?

The trade a was f***ing tire fire from hell, in our return; one guy mentally checked out and was one of the worst players in the league, another actually retired, the prospect looked lost, the draft pick while at one time looked like the top pick in the draft became literally the lowest value it possibly could, and the guy we traded away won the cup, playoff mvp, and the selke trophy in year #1.

I just don't get the tin foil hat stuff to make it look worse than it actually is, right now it's legitimately one of the worst trades of the last 30 years.

 

[Montag DP]

I've seen this posted literally thousands of times. Just out of curiosity,

1. Has there ever been a case of an owner paying a large bonus in order to sweeten trade value? Not trying to be a jerk, I have literally never seen something like this happen, so I can't believe it's actually discussed here, it just doesn't seem like a feasible discussion point.
2. Did Armstrong say that the bonus deadline affected what he was willing to give up?

Whether or not it affected what STL was willing to give up, it imposed a deadline, forcing him to take the best deal available at the time instead of simply waiting for something better. There's a reason he didn't accept that same offer a couple weeks earlier.

 

[kenfury]

Per Doug Armstrong the bonus was a deadline for the deal.

@1:10:00 or so.

 

[Samsonite23]

I've seen this posted literally thousands of times. Just out of curiosity,

1. Has there ever been a case of an owner paying a large bonus in order to sweeten trade value? Not trying to be a jerk, I have literally never seen something like this happen, so I can't believe it's actually discussed here, it just doesn't seem like a feasible discussion point.
2. Did Armstrong say that the bonus deadline affected what he was willing to give up?

The trade a was ****ing tire fire from hell, in our return; one guy mentally checked out and was one of the worst players in the league, another actually retired, the prospect looked lost, the draft pick while at one time looked like the top pick in the draft became literally the lowest value it possibly could, and the guy we traded away won the cup, playoff mvp, and the selke trophy in year #1.

I just don't get the tin foil hat stuff to make it look worse than it actually is, right now it's legitimately one of the worst trades of the last 30 years.

Yes.

In plain language said, "ROR was owed a $7.5 mil signing bonus on midnight July 1st. In any business you can't recoup that once it's paid. You couldn't trade on the 2nd and send Buffalo a check. So if the trade was going to happen, it had to happen before midnight.... We [Jason and I] both bend a little bit more [to get it done]. "

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Edit: Start at the 69 minute mark of the audio.

Also, this is a brand new interview. So you didn't see this specifically referenced 1,000 times.

 

[Jame]

I've seen this posted literally thousands of times. Just out of curiosity,

1. Has there ever been a case of an owner paying a large bonus in order to sweeten trade value? Not trying to be a jerk, I have literally never seen something like this happen, so I can't believe it's actually discussed here, it just doesn't seem like a feasible discussion point.
2. Did Armstrong say that the bonus deadline affected what he was willing to give up?

The trade a was ****ing tire fire from hell, in our return; one guy mentally checked out and was one of the worst players in the league, another actually retired, the prospect looked lost, the draft pick while at one time looked like the top pick in the draft became literally the lowest value it possibly could, and the guy we traded away won the cup, playoff mvp, and the selke trophy in year #1.

I just don't get the tin foil hat stuff to make it look worse than it actually is, right now it's legitimately one of the worst trades of the last 30 years.

It's akin to being paid in trade assets to take on a cap dump... we recently saw Washington give Colorado Grubauer, just so they would take Orpik and buy him out for them. Then Orpik returned.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Per Doug Armstrong the bonus was a deadline for the deal.

@1:10:00 or so.

We all know the return sucked and the bonus played a role. The question needing to be answered is WHY did they have to trade him?

 

[Samsonite23]

We all know the return sucked and the bonus played a role. The question needing to be answered is WHY did they have to trade him?

Agreed. Nothing about this really says it wasn't Jason's call to trade him.

 

[Fezzy126]

It's akin to being paid in trade assets to take on a cap dump... we recently saw Washington give Colorado Grubauer, just so they would take Orpik and buy him out for them. Then Orpik returned.

That's a fair example, although not exactly the same.

I still think it's silly to keep bringing this up. It's akin to reaching for the sake of piling on. As I said before, there's enough tangible evidence right in front us, there's just no need infer or assume additional aspects for more ammunition.

 

[Beerz]

Don't worry, whoever Botts picks with the #31 pick is totally gonna be better than ROR.

And then add that 2nd rounder in 2021. We chillin'.

Thanks, Jason

 

[sabremike]

The idea the bonus was so important just feels so demoralizing because it's the type of thing you would expect from a cheapskate slumlord owner like Golissano, Karmanos or Melnyk. Everything Pegula said when he first bought the team feels like it was a complete work, and in the end the bottom line is the important thing , not winning.

 

[Chainshot]

Cool, so if Armstrong is corroborating that the Sabres were operating under a deadline, we have more evidence that the owner is not actually willing to in his words "do whatever it takes" to win.

 

[sabremike]

Cool, so if Armstrong is corroborating that the Sabres were operating under a deadline, we have more evidence that the owner is not actually willing to in his words "do whatever it takes" to win.

I have complete faith that the local media which specializes in sucking up to gain access will give the Pegulas the public hiding they've earned like Katz in Edmonton or Melnyk in Ottawa get on a daily basis.

 

[Dreakon13]

The idea the bonus was so important just feels so demoralizing because it's the type of thing you would expect from a cheapskate slumlord owner like Golissano, Karmanos or Melnyk. Everything Pegula said when he first bought the team feels like it was a complete work, and in the end the bottom line is the important thing , not winning.

Cool, so if Armstrong is corroborating that the Sabres were operating under a deadline, we have more evidence that the owner is not actually willing to in his words "do whatever it takes" to win.

I imagine almost a decade of losing in the embarrassing way the Sabres have kinda dulls some of that enthusiasm.

Personally, while the situation surrounding the ROR trade and the bonus doesn't inspire any confidence, I think Pegs backs off once the Sabres see even a little bit of real forward progress. It's kind of a catch 22 that Pegula would only stop micro-managing once they're successful, yet he's directly responsible for one of the biggest setbacks in recent history... but I believe the team can be successful without ROR, and that they'll find their way eventually. Krueger and a competent coaching staff hopefully being a big part of that.

 

[MagnumForce2]

This trade now is probably the low point in my many years as being a Sabre fan. Just bad.

 

[Beerz]

Yes.

In plain language said, "ROR was owed a $7.5 mil signing bonus on midnight July 1st. In any business you can't recoup that once it's paid. You couldn't trade on the 2nd and send Buffalo a check. So if the trade was going to happen, it had to happen before midnight.... We [Jason and I] both bend a little bit more [to get it done]. "

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Edit: Start at the 69 minute mark of the audio.

Also, this is a brand new interview. So you didn't see this specifically referenced 1,000 times.

With all due respect Mr. Armstrong.... I think Jason was the only one "bending" over this...

 

[Dreakon13]

This trade now is probably the low point in my many years as being a Sabre fan. Just bad.

IMO, losing the co-caps was so much worse. You can argue ROR went on to do more than Briere and Drury (and in record time)... but I'm a lot more optimistic about today's Sabres team without ROR than I was about that team without the co-caps. That was a Cup contender falling apart at the seams, and the best is yet to come for today's group.

 

[sabremike]

I imagine almost a decade of losing in the embarrassing way the Sabres have kinda dulls some of that enthusiasm.

Personally, while the situation surrounding the ROR trade and the bonus doesn't inspire any confidence, I think Pegs backs off once the Sabres see even a little bit of real forward progress. It's kind of a catch 22 that Pegula would only stop micro-managing once they're successful, yet he's directly responsible for one of the biggest setbacks in recent history... but I believe the team can be successful without ROR, and that they'll find their way eventually. Krueger and a competent coaching staff hopefully being a big part of that.

He essentially forced a move that blew a hole in our roster that we now need a miracle to fill. So he crashes our team straight into a wall, but don't worry: if we show signs of recovering from the self inflicted disaster THEN the Pegulas will break open the biscuit tin.

 

[Dreakon13]

He essentially forced a move that blew a hole in our roster that we now need a miracle to fill. So he crashes our team straight into a wall, but don't worry: if we show signs of recovering from the self inflicted disaster THEN the Pegulas will break open the biscuit tin.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. Just that I feel the team can recover from it, and even a little forward momentum could see Pegula step back. That's why honestly it concerns me less knowing that Pegula had a hand in it.