bucks_oil
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So Devils4cup... I loved your post. You clearly articulated a number of advantages to a hybrid style... but as I am a hybrid --> Profly convert, with poor to no training (meaning... self taught and therefore still quite likely to keep some of my hybrid traits)... I thought I'd make a few comments.
First... In the photos of Brodeur you are showing, he's actually not in "half-butterfly", but rather, he's in the midst of a quite powerful "T-push". In the old days, before "skulling" (hard arc cuts popular with euro-trained goalies designed to move you shorter distances and keep you always square), T-pushes were considered the only way to get across the net.
From brodeurs position in your photos he could either:
i) kick out the face of the leading leg into a half butterfly, like here, or
ii) make a skate save, like here... notice the huge number of sharp puck marks on the inside of Brodeurs pads in your photo (and the one two below)? Shows he had both in his repertoire.
I have to say, it was very hard to find a classic "skate save" (where the save is made with the blade), cuz it just simply isn't done anymore... well, Marty does, but not too often. Even Khabi (yep, that's him) doesn't do it anymore as he's a definite pro-fly convert. He hasn't lost all his hybrid moves, but skate-saves and deep T-pushes are usually the first to go. Hence my joke about your carbon dating
Now... to your point about having more options from that position. Absolutely... for example you could do this if the shot was higher
But what is intersting about that move... both glove and pad high... is that it is a transition/adaptive move. It starts from half butterfly and then reacts to a higher shot by lifting the leg. But what's more interesting is that only two of the three popular styles can do it.
i) hybrid, half-butterfliers can do it cuz they are in half butterfly
ii) hybrid profliers can do it too, cuz recall that when they "extend the leg" from the butterfly they do so by moving into a half-butterfly position. Their weight shifts to the knee of the non-extending leg, so they can still lift the extending leg off the ice
iii) "classic" profliers are less likely to be able to, because they were rotating the leg from the hip... it still is weight bearing at the knee, so it's just too awkard to lift it since they are close to the end of the range of their motion.
I think that's as good an example as I can give as to why I think the hybrid-profly is gaining more popularity (quick, Price, etc). It still allows greater variety in save positions and is less static than the classic butterfly/profly.
So Devils4cup... I loved your post. You clearly articulated a number of advantages to a hybrid style... but as I am a hybrid --> Profly convert, with poor to no training (meaning... self taught and therefore still quite likely to keep some of my hybrid traits)... I thought I'd make a few comments.
First... In the photos of Brodeur you are showing, he's actually not in "half-butterfly", but rather, he's in the midst of a quite powerful "T-push". In the old days, before "skulling" (hard arc cuts popular with euro-trained goalies designed to move you shorter distances and keep you always square), T-pushes were considered the only way to get across the net.
From brodeurs position in your photos he could either:
i) kick out the face of the leading leg into a half butterfly, like here, or
ii) make a skate save, like here... notice the huge number of sharp puck marks on the inside of Brodeurs pads in your photo (and the one two below)? Shows he had both in his repertoire.
I have to say, it was very hard to find a classic "skate save" (where the save is made with the blade), cuz it just simply isn't done anymore... well, Marty does, but not too often. Even Khabi (yep, that's him) doesn't do it anymore as he's a definite pro-fly convert. He hasn't lost all his hybrid moves, but skate-saves and deep T-pushes are usually the first to go. Hence my joke about your carbon dating
Now... to your point about having more options from that position. Absolutely... for example you could do this if the shot was higher
But what is intersting about that move... both glove and pad high... is that it is a transition/adaptive move. It starts from half butterfly and then reacts to a higher shot by lifting the leg. But what's more interesting is that only two of the three popular styles can do it.
i) hybrid, half-butterfliers can do it cuz they are in half butterfly
ii) hybrid profliers can do it too, cuz recall that when they "extend the leg" from the butterfly they do so by moving into a half-butterfly position. Their weight shifts to the knee of the non-extending leg, so they can still lift the extending leg off the ice
iii) "classic" profliers are less likely to be able to, because they were rotating the leg from the hip... it still is weight bearing at the knee, so it's just too awkard to lift it since they are close to the end of the range of their motion.
I think that's as good an example as I can give as to why I think the hybrid-profly is gaining more popularity (quick, Price, etc). It still allows greater variety in save positions and is less static than the classic butterfly/profly.
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