The return of Dustin Brown

[Frolov 6'3]

When was he stripped of the C? I must have totally missed that, I was watching the Kings the other day and not only does Anze have the C but Brown doesn't even have a letter? I always found that really ****ty thing to do, same with Jumbo in SJS.

Agreed, not a fan of either. I also remember Modano and Marleau.

Anze got the C two seasons ago.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

This is one of those threads where if anyone says "I knew he would" they're just flat out lying.

 

[glovesave_35]

Are all the people mocking the Brown critics from years past serious? Everybody thought he was bad and not living up to his contract.

Personally, I will wait and see if he can maintain a decent level of production throughout the season after this hot start.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Are all the people mocking the Brown critics from years past serious? Everybody thought he was bad and not living up to his contract.

Personally, I will wait and see if he can maintain a decent level of production throughout the season after this hot start.

That's the problem with your supposed critics.
The bolded are two separate things, which most cant understand....so yes, very serious. He wasnt bad, but he was just not worth his contract.

It shouldnt be a surprise though. An hour ago, I read somebody had never heard of Theoren Fleury but he still felt the need to respond on the matter. Those are the ''people'' we are dealing with here, nowadays.

 

[varano]

Whatever is going on with Dustin Brown, I'ts certainly cool to see him resurrect things

 

[LeafFever]

I did not see this coming. I thought he was done. Players that play his style usually wear down in their late 20's and that's exactly when his stats started to dip badly.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Are all the people mocking the Brown critics from years past serious? Everybody thought he was bad and not living up to his contract.

Personally, I will wait and see if he can maintain a decent level of production throughout the season after this hot start.

To be fair Brown plays a game that makes it very easy from the outside to hate him, that being said he still was not worth that contract for a couple of years and would be extremely shocked if he finished this season worth his contract, we are only 10% through this year

 

[Sol]

Overstated myth.

A fact.

 

[King'sPawn]

A fact.

Here are some numbers. Keep in mind for the brevity of the discussion, I just included all games from 2011-2012 as during Sutter (except for Carter, since he was in Columbus until the deadline and it is easier to track), which is skewed by the fact the Kings played under Terry Murray until December:
Kopitar's PPG before Sutter: .91
Kopitar's PPG during Sutter: .85

Carter's PPG before Sutter: .73
Carter's PPG during Sutter: .75

Brown's PPG before Sutter: .59
Brown's PPG during Sutter: .45

Brown clearly had the biggest dropoff. But you can see Kopitar's average production remained the same while under Sutter, while Carter's actually improved under Sutter.

Team performance
GF/G in 2012 playoffs: 2.85 (3rd in league)
GF/G in 2013 regular season: 2.73 (10th in league)
GF/G in 2013 playoffs: 2.06 (11th in league)
GF/G in 2014 regular season: 2.41 (26th in league)
GF/G in 2014 playoffs: 3.38 (1st in league)
GF/G in 2015 regular season: 2.66 (18th)
GF/G in 2016 regular season: 2.72 (14th)
GF/G in 2016 playoffs: 2.20 (13th)
GF/G in 2017 regular season: 2.43 (24th)

So, the Kings had a couple down years, but they also had a couple years where they were middle in the pack in terms of offensive production. They also typically amp up their performance where they are a top offensive team in the playoffs.

Ultimately, it becomes a war of attrition for Sutter's players. They play a heavy style that wears down the opposition, but it in turn wears down the Kings players as well, playing it over the course of an 82 game season + playoffs.

So a team like Winnipeg would greatly benefit from having Sutter's direction and discipline, but like the Kings, they better win something in a 3-4 year window.

Your "fact" is just an opinion, although I'm interested in seeing your evidence to support your claim that all offense dies with Sutter and players would have their offense stifled and imploded.

 

[Sol]

The NHL has changed. Sutter has a very short shelf life. The Jets don't need a short term coach. It'd be extremely short sighted to do so.

Jets need a coach that implements a great structure, without a big impact on offense. Sutter would be bad for them.

 

[LeafFever]

The NHL has changed. Sutter has a very short shelf life. The Jets don't need a short term coach. It'd be extremely short sighted to do so.

Jets need a coach that implements a great structure, without a big impact on offense. Sutter would be bad for them.

Most coaches have a short shelf life though. Sutter is pretty typical.

 

[613Leafer]

His decline was a really weird one. 5 straight 50+ point seasons (6 straight 45+ point seasons), and then at age ~28, which should be right in his prime, he falls down to 4 straight <36 point seasons, 3 of which were under 30 points (ignoring the short lockout season).

He hasn't even missed many games at all due to injuries, so doesn't seem like his decline was based on injuries. Were there any rumours of off-ice issues?

 

[King'sPawn]

His decline was a really weird one. 5 straight 50+ point seasons (6 straight 45+ point seasons), and then at age ~28, which should be right in his prime, he falls down to 4 straight p>

He hasn't even missed many games at all due to injuries, so doesn't seem like his decline was based on injuries. Were there any rumours of off-ice issues?

No off-ice issues have ever been rumored. The incident that seemed to be the turning point for his production and overall performance was when he was suspended for elbowing Pominville in the head. At least that was my observation.

 

[Kingspiracy]

His decline was a really weird one. 5 straight 50+ point seasons (6 straight 45+ point seasons), and then at age ~28, which should be right in his prime, he falls down to 4 straight <36 point seasons, 3 of which were under 30 points (ignoring the short lockout season).

He hasn't even missed many games at all due to injuries, so doesn't seem like his decline was based on injuries. Were there any rumours of off-ice issues?

I always thought he slowed down after his missus had kids, late night nappy changes and lack of sleep affected his mojo. Also his relationship with sutter seemed to go south.

 

[The Night King]

That's the problem with your supposed critics.
The bolded are two separate things, which most cant understand....so yes, very serious. He wasnt bad, but he was just not worth his contract.

It shouldnt be a surprise though. An hour ago, I read somebody had never heard of Theoren Fleury but he still felt the need to respond on the matter. Those are the ''people'' we are dealing with here, nowadays.

This. He did not live up to his contract, but too many people resorted to ridiculous hyperbole such as "he doesn't belong in the NHL".

 

[SettlementRichie10]

His decline was a really weird one. 5 straight 50+ point seasons (6 straight 45+ point seasons), and then at age ~28, which should be right in his prime, he falls down to 4 straight <36 point seasons, 3 of which were under 30 points (ignoring the short lockout season).

He hasn't even missed many games at all due to injuries, so doesn't seem like his decline was based on injuries. Were there any rumours of off-ice issues?

He had a lot of issues with Sutter off the ice. There was the incident in Tampa when the players, led by Brown, barricaded Sutter from the locker room so they could hold a player's only meeting. There was the very public stripping of the C, which coincided with Sutter's re-signing. There was also a reported "meeting" between Sutter and Brown, mediated by Lombardi, in which all three had to air their differences.

Sutter was a tough coach and demanded a lot from his players, especially his captain. Eventually, that caused an obvious rift between Sutter and Brown. And Lombardi was too stupidly loyal to Sutter to successfully mediate.

 

[Los Patos de Anaheim]

Never liked him as a Ducks fan, but I'm happy for him. It's a lot easier to hate him when he's doing well.

 

[LAK74]

When was he stripped of the C? I must have totally missed that, I was watching the Kings the other day and not only does Anze have the C but Brown doesn't even have a letter?

Now that Carter is out, Brown is wearing an "A."

 

[MarAlain MongYeo]

If he scores any more goals he may single-handedly burn down a village.

 

[Freudian]

I think the previous 300 games playing at 30 point pace is more accurate than 7 games at 128 point pace.

 

[TwzKing]

I think the previous 300 games playing at 30 point pace is more accurate than 7 games at 128 point pace.

Ah yea because the point of this thread was to celebrate his break out year finally.

 

[sparxx87]

Good. Never like to see a player fall off when he theoretically should have some years left. He plays a style that’s hard on the body so you expect a sooner drop off than normal.. but his just seemed too soon.

Hopefully he can squeeze out another couple years.

 

[Little Psycho]

He was one of the best players for the kings last season, he didn't put up a lot of points (like most on the team) but he busted his ass and looked like one of the only ones that cared. It's great to see him off to a great start.

 

[Reaper45]

No off-ice issues have ever been rumored. The incident that seemed to be the turning point for his production and overall performance was when he was suspended for elbowing Pominville in the head. At least that was my observation.

Don't forget when he hurt his knee.

 

[cleveland408]

Let's hope his knee doesn't return.