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[bigdaddyk88]

Final 2024 NFL Mock Draft From Brendan Donahue

2024 NFL Draft Mock for every first-round draft pick by team, featuring Caleb Williams, J.J. McCarthy & more. Based on draft needs, talent, GM tendencies & scheme fits.

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Another mock where jpj isn’t a 1st round pick

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[Ryder71]

Final 2024 NFL Mock Draft From Brendan Donahue

2024 NFL Draft Mock for every first-round draft pick by team, featuring Caleb Williams, J.J. McCarthy & more. Based on draft needs, talent, GM tendencies & scheme fits.

www.sharpfootballanalysis.com

Another mock where jpj isn’t a 1st round pick

And if we can get one of the three talked about in the 2hd RD, great! I just wouldn't count on any of them lasting to 51.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

And if we can get one of the three talked about in the 2hd RD, great! I just wouldn't count on any of them lasting to 51.

I mean theres 5 in top 130 they can get a guy in round 3 if they want

 

[Ryder71]

Good.

The Khan - Andy Weidl team put a value on free agents and draft picks and don't reach.

I like that.

As for center it seems likely that at least one, if not more than one of the top options, should be there in the second round for the Steelers. No guarantees but a very strong chance.

This article breaks it down.

These Four Teams Could Steal Away Steelers Top Center Choices

Everyone that reads this post who is a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers is probably expecting the team to draft a center this year. Likely somewhere within the first three rounds. While there is obviously a chance that the Steelers wind up selecting a center in the first round of the 2024 NFL...

steelersdepot.com

It's ok to be choosy when you have good options, but when you don't then you might need to bend a bit. We left ourselves vulnerable and the issues there have been left for six weeks now. It could all get resolved shortly but ATM it looks tenuous.

I mean theres 5 in top 130 they can get a guy in round 3 if they want

Absolutely, but likely none of those guys start day 1 beyond the top three, so then we're back to no good options when starting the season. If we're a win now team that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

 

[Peat]

Good.

The Khan - Andy Weidl team put a value on free agents and draft picks and don't reach.

I like that.

As for center it seems likely that at least one, if not more than one of the top options, should be there in the second round for the Steelers. No guarantees but a very strong chance.

This article breaks it down.

These Four Teams Could Steal Away Steelers Top Center Choices

Everyone that reads this post who is a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers is probably expecting the team to draft a center this year. Likely somewhere within the first three rounds. While there is obviously a chance that the Steelers wind up selecting a center in the first round of the 2024 NFL...

steelersdepot.com

Yeah I don't think that's a very good article. It completely discounts the chance of one of the Cs being picked to play G and also discounts at least a couple of very common mock landing places for a C. Would not have a high level of confidence that only the four teams named will be involved in the first three Cs.

 

[Ryder71]

I think we need to move up in the 2hd round to make sure we get Frazier. JPJ and Barton likely go between 24-36.

Also, wasn't JPJ just in for a visit?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

It depends on value. Someone highly rated is going to fall to 20. And honestly none of the centers seem to be the value pick that high.

If you are that desperate for a center trade down and get a pick in return. But if it were me I would take the best player who fell to 20 and take a chance at one of the centers being there in round two. Or take one of the remaining centers in round 3.

 

[Ryder71]

It depends on value. Someone highly rated is going to fall to 20. And honestly none of the centers seem to be the value pick that high.

With the injury rumors about Powers Johnson running rampant I'd hesitate myself at 20. That said I'd be very concerned about moving up in RD2. I'd likely go OT in RD1, Depending on which guys are there. Latham (doubtful he's there), Mims (very possible), I'd even move up for CB Quinyon Mitchell depending on the cost. If we move down look at Dejean and get our C in mid 2hd round if possible.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I would be completely shocked if Barton or J P-J made it to 51. But Frazier's RAS score and his injury could have him being there at 51.

I took J P-J in the first round of the HFBoards Mock Draft, with what I knew at the time, but I am now convinced they will not go that route. I think they go OT or CB or maybe even WR and then make a decision in the 2nd for a Center at 51. If there isn't one there, aka Frazier, they wait and take one of SvP/Bortolini/Limmer/Nourzad with Pick 98+.

 

[Pens1566]

I would be completely shocked if Barton or J P-J made it to 51. But Frazier's RAS score and his injury could have him being there at 51.

I took J P-J in the first round of the HFBoards Mock Draft, with what I knew at the time, but I am now convinced they will not go that route. I think they go OT or CB or maybe even WR and then make a decision in the 2nd for a Center at 51. If there isn't one there, aka Frazier, they wait and take one of SvP/Bortolini/Limmer/Nourzad with Pick 98+.

I think this is the closest to what will actually unfold. With one tiny deviation ... I think 20 will either be BPA (out of T/CB/WR/some crazy slider) or a trade down.

Teams just aren't going to spend draft value on C.

 

[Peat]

I would be completely shocked if Barton or J P-J made it to 51. But Frazier's RAS score and his injury could have him being there at 51.

I took J P-J in the first round of the HFBoards Mock Draft, with what I knew at the time, but I am now convinced they will not go that route. I think they go OT or CB or maybe even WR and then make a decision in the 2nd for a Center at 51. If there isn't one there, aka Frazier, they wait and take one of SvP/Bortolini/Limmer/Nourzad with Pick 98+.

I wonder about this. Unless I'm mistaken, none of them had a pre-draft visit with the Steelers and none of them had an OL coach at their pro day listed. And SD's tracking isn't perfect, but there's not many misses.

Throw in Khan's comments about looking for the next great Steelers center and it feels like the plan might be to try and get one of Barton/JPJ/Frazier to be that guy, but pivot back to stopgap UFAs if they can't and leave the draft alone. You can see them eying up late round options at DL/WR/OT/CB, but not CE.

But we'll see.

 

[Ryder71]

I think there's a good chance they trade for a WR.

 

[Pengwins]

Still might get Aiyuk

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I wonder about this. Unless I'm mistaken, none of them had a pre-draft visit with the Steelers and none of them had an OL coach at their pro day listed. And SD's tracking isn't perfect, but there's not many misses.

Throw in Khan's comments about looking for the next great Steelers center and it feels like the plan might be to try and get one of Barton/JPJ/Frazier to be that guy, but pivot back to stopgap UFAs if they can't and leave the draft alone. You can see them eying up late round options at DL/WR/OT/CB, but not CE.

But we'll see.

The o line coach went to oregon and duke they went to Georgia

 

[Ryder71]

The o line coach went to oregon and duke they went to Georgia

JPJ was just here, he had a nice meal with the higher ups.

 

[Peat]

The o line coach went to oregon and duke they went to Georgia

So, in other words, as I said, the OL coaches have not been to see the lower ranked prospects. They've been to see the potentially great guys but there is no evidence they're looking at a back-up plan in the draft.

 

[The Old Master]

So, in other words, as I said, the OL coaches have not been to see the lower ranked prospects. They've been to see the potentially great guys but there is no evidence they're looking at a back-up plan in the draft.

they don't want to make a mistake with their high picks, but they are more willing to take a chance later on. imo

 

[Jaded-Fan]

To put it simply at 20 there should be a game changer star ceiling player available at a position of need. The exact position there at 20 will depend on who teams above them choose.

But the center or centers available will certainly will not be as highly ranked or with higher ceilings than that player that falls there.

You don't take a plug and play average player when a star player is there at a position of need. Again, these all are projections but that is the consensus.

If you are married to taking a center then for God's sake trade down and gain some assets to do it.

 

[xlm34]

To put it simply at 20 there should be a game changer star ceiling player available at a position of need. The exact position there at 20 will depend on who teams above them choose.

But the center or centers available will certainly will not be as highly ranked or with higher ceilings than that player that falls there.

You don't take a plug and play average player when a star player is there at a position of need. Again, these all are projections but that is the consensus.

If you are married to taking a center then for God's sake trade down and gain some assets to do it.

Yeah and the track record for them taking a position to take a position has not been promising lately:

Burns
Bush
Edmunds
Pickett

Not saying any of these centers turn out like some of those guys, but poi muting yourself in the draft to one position tends to not work out all that great.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

So, in other words, as I said, the OL coaches have not been to see the lower ranked prospects. They've been to see the potentially great guys but there is no evidence they're looking at a back-up plan in the draft.

The oc has been to see some of the lower ranked c also.

 

[Peat]

they don't want to make a mistake with their high picks, but they are more willing to take a chance later on. imo

If that's the logic, why bring in all the late round OTs and DLs and what not? Why not just take a chance there too?

The oc has been to see some of the lower ranked c also.

But not any of the Limmer/Nourzad/Bortolini second tier of Cs, except for SvP at the Georgia day.

Yeah and the track record for them taking a position to take a position has not been promising lately:

Burns
Bush
Edmunds
Pickett

Not saying any of these centers turn out like some of those guys, but poi muting yourself in the draft to one position tends to not work out all that great.

Tbf, when that's four of your last seven first rounders (and it's quite generous not having Harris there imo and Jones remains to be seen), I think the lesson is less "don't get stuck to drafting for need" and more "be better scouts and developers because you suck".

 

[Jaded-Fan]

If that's the logic, why bring in all the late round OTs and DLs and what not? Why not just take a chance there too?



But not any of the Limmer/Nourzad/Bortolini second tier of Cs, except for SvP at the Georgia day.



Tbf, when that's four of your last seven first rounders (and it's quite generous not having Harris there imo and Jones remains to be seen), I think the lesson is less "don't get stuck to drafting for need" and more "be better scouts and developers because you suck".

I think that the lesson is both.

And some other lessons such as reaching for players because you just are smarter than everyone else thrown in as well. Several of those were not believed to be anywhere as highly rated as the Steelers had them.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I would be completely shocked if Barton or J P-J made it to 51. But Frazier's RAS score and his injury could have him being there at 51.

I took J P-J in the first round of the HFBoards Mock Draft, with what I knew at the time, but I am now convinced they will not go that route. I think they go OT or CB or maybe even WR and then make a decision in the 2nd for a Center at 51. If there isn't one there, aka Frazier, they wait and take one of SvP/Bortolini/Limmer/Nourzad with Pick 98+.

Agree with most of what you said except going CB in R1. Don't feel the Steelers will do that. Too many offensive holes with the defense already eating up most of the cap

 

[Jaded-Fan]

How much of the Steelers recent success in drafting and FA is Khan and how much Andy Weidle?

I ask because we likely lose Weidle soon because of that success.