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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 43ers
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that's the offense without the best all around back in the league, a likely breakout star physical freak #2 receiver, and injured pouncey. crazy.
Yeah, I think you have to give a lot of credit to the depth. DeAngello Williams has been great at RB. 127 yards against NE and 77 yards and 3 TD's today against SF.
My biggest concern was Heyward-Bey having to replace Martavis Bryant as the deep threat but he's done a nice job through the first two games. Bey already has 3 catches of 35+ yards (41,35,43) in two games this year. Hopefully he can keep that up for two more weeks until Bryant gets back.
I certainly get the logic to playing him to see what you have in him. Although I'm not sure rhythm is a big thing for a pass rusher. Seems to me playing less, having fresher legs, the tackle seeing less of your moves and having to constantly adjust back and forth between two different pass rushers would be an advantage for a pass rusher more than a disadvantage.
Anyway, the rotation is not surprising. Butler pretty much said it was going to be this way back in early August.
Mr Jiggyfly
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I never rushed the passer when I played, but I've been told/read that is all about rhythm and setting a guy up for counter moves. All the greats played every down. They just showed a graphic of Matthews yesterday and he was on the field for 60 some plays last week. Porter, Debo, Lloyd, Woodley, Greene... they rarely came off the field.
If JJ can't play 45+ snaps and be effective, he better work more on his conditioning. Let's be honest.
I agree about Dupree being broken in slowly, but JJ is in his third year. He should have the majority of the snaps with Debo giving him a blow for 2-3 series tops. They need to see if JJ can be a good player or if he is just a body out there. Playing 20-25 snaps a game is purposely holding him back and delaying his development if he has the talent to play in this league.
ImporterExporter
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No point in going over the entirety of that game as many others have touched on the main points. Great bounce back game and pretty much total domination across all fronts.
Bud Dupree should be shutting up the idiots that were calling him a bust after the 1st preseason game. He's still raw, but they're putting him in the right position to make a difference each game. 2 sacks in 2 games and a huge tackle of Kap yesterday on 4th down at the half yard line. His athleticism for somebody pushing 270 lbs is ridiculous. I think he'll be the quality OLB we're looking for if he continues to get experience and works at this craft.
Bud Dupree should be shutting up the idiots that were calling him a bust after the 1st preseason game. He's still raw, but they're putting him in the right position to make a difference each game. 2 sacks in 2 games and a huge tackle of Kap yesterday on 4th down at the half yard line. His athleticism for somebody pushing 270 lbs is ridiculous. I think he'll be the quality OLB we're looking for if he continues to get experience and works at this craft.
for some reason dhb makes me expect a veritable limus sweeding of any deep ball, but he had a very good game yesterday. hope he keeps it up.
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Jig, I just do not see the explosion necessary from Jones to be a real threat at OLB. I hope I eat crow, but I don't see him being anything more than a spell guy. The dude must have toothpicks for legs.
Steelers were granted a temporary roster exemption for Bell. Basically it gives them 48 hours to decide who to cut to make room for Bell now that he's coming off suspension. Have to think the candidates to be cut are RB/KR Dri Archer, D-Lineman Caushuad Lyons or L.T. Walton, FB Roosevelt Nix or WR Tyler Murphy.
Worth noting that Nix is dressing and playing special teams. Tomlin called him a core special teamer, IIRC.
Also, Tyler Murphy has been dressing over Coates at WR. Tomlin said that's because Murphy can backup more WR positions and can serve as a an emergency QB since he played QB in college.
My guess is this cut comes down to one of the developmental D-Lineman Lyons or Walton or the RB/KR Dri Archer.
Personally I would cut Archer. There's just no use for him with Bell and Williams at RB and Jordan Todman actually has lots of experience as a KR. Todman has averaged 25.9 yards per kick return for his career. Dri Archer averages 18.3 yard per kick return for his career.
Worth noting that Nix is dressing and playing special teams. Tomlin called him a core special teamer, IIRC.
Also, Tyler Murphy has been dressing over Coates at WR. Tomlin said that's because Murphy can backup more WR positions and can serve as a an emergency QB since he played QB in college.
My guess is this cut comes down to one of the developmental D-Lineman Lyons or Walton or the RB/KR Dri Archer.
Personally I would cut Archer. There's just no use for him with Bell and Williams at RB and Jordan Todman actually has lots of experience as a KR. Todman has averaged 25.9 yards per kick return for his career. Dri Archer averages 18.3 yard per kick return for his career.
Mr Jiggyfly
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I flip flop on him so often that I have no clue how I feel about him. If I had to put money on it, I'd say he will be a solid pro. I compared him to Haggans, who I disliked. However, he was good enough to help them win a SB.
Just they will need a Porter type player on the other side. Maybe if Dupree develops and Tuitt/Heyward can get after the QB, it won't be such a big deal that JJ isn't anything special.
Definitely a waste. I'm not sure there's really any way to utilize him. He's a rag doll that goes down way too easy. People compared him to Sproles coming out but he lacks that stockiness that a guy like Sproles has. Not surprising since Sproles is listed at 190 while Archer is still listed at only 173 pounds.
ImporterExporter
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My buddy and I were saying waste of a 3rd every time a kickoff sailed over his head this past weekend. Even when he does get a chance to bring one out he does nothing. Absolute bum.
Penguins23
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On Stubhub, the 100 level is actually cheaper than 200 level. I'll be fine sitting high up in the 100 level on the side line though right?
I wasn't watching that closely on Sunday, but was Archer in any plays from Scrimmage? If not, I'd say he'll be the odd-man out. Too bad, the notion of grabbing a Sproles clone in the third round from a MAC school is a really good story, but . . . .
The Saints traded Sproles to the Eagles shortly before the 2014 draft if I recall correctly. If the Steelers really wanted a Sproles-type player, maybe they should have gotten in contact with the Saints before the Eagles did. Would've been better asset management with that pick trading it for Sproles than drafting Archer.
Winger for Hire
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Do the Steelers actually use Archer in a Sproles type role?
Asking because I don't watch the games much, and it seems very Steelers like to grab a guy and have the idea to use him in the <insert player> type mold, but then not put him in any situations that said player has exceled in.
Asking because I don't watch the games much, and it seems very Steelers like to grab a guy and have the idea to use him in the <insert player> type mold, but then not put him in any situations that said player has exceled in.
I suspect he wasn't able to excel as desired in practices, they probably figured it out early on, and therefore haven't used him much in game situations from scrimmage. I think it's difficult for the organization to acknowledge that it blew a
3rd round pick on the guy; otherwise he'd probably have been cut earlier, maybe even last year.
Big McLargehuge
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In an ideal world Archer would be used in a Sproles-like role...but in reality he's just far too weak to be used as such, so he's a return specialist in a league where the kick return is all but dead...and he's not even that good at it to begin with.
He was a luxury pick to begin with, one we really couldn't afford to just throw away. Admit the mistake and move on...he's too weak to be a running back of any sort and he doesn't have the hands/awareness to be used as a passing option, either...it's a shame since that speed in space would be unstoppable. You could make the argument that he could be a straight-line receiver...but we already have Heyward-Bey doing that...and this is one case where DHB is actually the better option.
He was a luxury pick to begin with, one we really couldn't afford to just throw away. Admit the mistake and move on...he's too weak to be a running back of any sort and he doesn't have the hands/awareness to be used as a passing option, either...it's a shame since that speed in space would be unstoppable. You could make the argument that he could be a straight-line receiver...but we already have Heyward-Bey doing that...and this is one case where DHB is actually the better option.
Coastal Kev
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Amazing the Steelers didn't know this. Archer impressed them with his upper body strength, I believe he blew away some LB's and Linemen with his bench press. The problem is you need to look at his legs and buttocks. Very slight, very svelte. Compare his buttocks to Sproles and you will see the comparisons ends very quickly.
Big McLargehuge
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At the end of the day it's the fact that he's the size of a gnat that just makes him bad for the league. If he could avoid being hit, as was Sproles, that would be less of an issue...but his elusiveness is 100% speed-related, so he just gets knocked 3 yards backwards. He could potentially be a tool in the CFL, but even then I don't think he'd be anything special.
The fact that he wasn't much of a returner at Kent State should have said all that needed to be said.
You can't teach speed...but you also can't rely solely on speed to be successful (see: Fata, Rico).
The fact that he wasn't much of a returner at Kent State should have said all that needed to be said.
You can't teach speed...but you also can't rely solely on speed to be successful (see: Fata, Rico).
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Honestly I'm just terrified that Brown is gonna get hurt returning a punt. Not a fan of having the focal point of your offense subjected to unnecessary contact. Does any other team in the league have their WR1 returning punts? Excluding Landry and Steve Smith cause of injuries. Brown is smart about getting out of bounds and avoiding hits, but I feel like he's leaving some plays out there.
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