The Out of Town Thread part LXIV - All Talk From Around the League Here

[Monctonscout]

Actually, paying him 1 mill+ for 14 years isn't a bad deal.

I think us buying out Kaberle is a worse decision.

How is buying out Kaberle a bad decision?

 

[Habs 4 Life]

How is buying out Kaberle a bad decision?

Not sure but I assume it's cause he only has 1 year left on his deal.

Anyways if the Habs don't use the money this summer they probably would have been better off keeping him and seeing next summer if another player became a buyout possibility

 

[Monctonscout]

Not sure but I assume it's cause he only has 1 year left on his deal.

Anyways if the Habs don't use the money this summer they probably would have been better off keeping him and seeing next summer if another player became a buyout possibility

I'm pretty sure they will use the cap spce, plus I doubt they or Kaberle wants him not playing for another year.

 

[25get]

Actually, paying him 1 mill+ for 14 years isn't a bad deal.

I think us buying out Kaberle is a worse decision.

They are paying $1,642,857 for 14 years.
Plus he was paid 13,8M for his two first years.

Bobrovsky

 

[ECWHSWI]

Not sure but I assume it's cause he only has 1 year left on his deal.

Anyways if the Habs don't use the money this summer they probably would have been better off keeping him and seeing next summer if another player became a buyout possibility

why ? to buyout less than 2Mil/year players ? you dont keep the option just so you can buy relatively cheap players, not worth it!

free up some cash, open a roster spot.

 

[BLONG7]

They are paying $1,642,857 for 14 years.
Plus he was paid 13,8M for his two first years.

Bobrovsky

Flyers GM and owner should be shot...brutal decision making on their part to give that clown that kind of contract...

And then trade Bobo...

 

[ECWHSWI]

Flyers GM and owner should be shot...brutal decision making on their part to give that clown that kind of contract...

And then trade Bobo...

and then trade to acquire Bob's assistant (Mason, backup in... CLB)

 

[Price My Man Crush]

Actually, paying him 1 mill+ for 14 years isn't a bad deal.

I think us buying out Kaberle is a worse decision.

Can't believe what I just read. I mean, are you serious? Every time you post something, it's tough to say if you're dumb or you don't know what you're talking about. And the fact that you can't say something positive about the Montreal Canadiens is ridiculous.

 

[TennisMenace]

Can't believe what I just read. I mean, are you serious? Every time you post something, it's tough to say if you're dumb or you don't know what you're talking about. And the fact that you can't say something positive about the Montreal Canadiens is ridiculous.

I see you didn't rebut/argue my points. Does that mean you don't have one?

As for saying positive things, you must be missing them because I always praise Gallagher, Gals, Prust, PK, Max, and Eller. After that, there really isn't anything to be excited about.

 

[TennisMenace]

They are paying $1,642,857 for 14 years.
Plus he was paid 13,8M for his two first years.

Bobrovsky

I'm sure the 1.6 per year is nothing for them. Hey, it frees up quite a bit of cap money for this year and beyond, yes?

 

[Analyzer*]

I wonder if Torts will make the Sedins cry.

 

[Price My Man Crush]

I see you didn't rebut/argue my points. Does that mean you don't have one?

As for saying positive things, you must be missing them because I always praise Gallagher, Gals, Prust, PK, Max, and Eller. After that, there really isn't anything to be excited about.

Maybe because your points don't contain any arguments? How buying out Kaberle is a worse decision?

 

[TennisMenace]

Maybe because your points don't contain any arguments? How buying out Kaberle is a worse decision?

Kaberle only has one year left. He actually is not a horrible player. I can live with him for one year. We have other guys who I wish were gone with multi years remaining:

Gorges
Deshairnes

We can use the $ saved on them to fill our needs.

 

[FlyingKostitsyn]

Kaberle only has one year left. He actually is not a horrible player. I can live with him for one year. We have other guys who I wish were gone with multi years remaining:

Gorges
Deshairnes

We can use the $ saved on them to fill our needs.

Both of these contracts are tradeable (a far better solution than a buyout). On top of that, Desharnais' contract can't be bought out because it was signed after the CBA. Hell, he hasn't received a cent from it yet.

Now rebuke that please.

Since buying out Desharnais is impossible, we can focus on Gorges -

1 - he's been great except last year, were he was average.
2 - he's always had an amazing attitude and is a leader on the team, regardless.
3 - he's still an excellent PKer
4 - his cap hit is neither big nor restrictive in any way in regard to our cap situation. Its what you expect an average top4 D to make and thats what Gorges was last season. The previous year he was playing over that level.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's not your money...

Doesn't matter - well actually it does but that aside...

It provides context for the way things were before the cap. Flyers had very deep pockets and could spend their way into good teams. They are finding this to be a lot more difficult now. Fortunately for them, their ***** were saved by the buyout clause and - the deep pockets they have.

That was a horrific contract.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Kaberle only has one year left. He actually is not a horrible player. I can live with him for one year. We have other guys who I wish were gone with multi years remaining:

Gorges
Deshairnes

We can use the $ saved on them to fill our needs.

What's the point of buying out players making under 4M$? Even if Gorges is overpaid, he still can be extremely useful for us. One relatively bad year doesn't mean he's done, he was quite effective in the 3-4 years before that. Buying him out would be extremely stupid.

Also, pretty sure there are teams out there that would trade and claim them off waivers if the Habs really want to get rid of them which is not the case for Kaberle.


As for buying out Bryz, I agree with you it's not that bad. If the owner is ready to pay that money in order to make his team better, I don't see the problem. Giving Bryz that contract is stupid but now they got the perfect opportunity to get rid of that contract so why not. Now watch them sign Horton and Clowe or bring a decent goalie with the money saved. The GM is very aggressive but his team remains somewhat competitive.

 

[BLONG7]

Kaberle only has one year left. He actually is not a horrible player. I can live with him for one year. We have other guys who I wish were gone with multi years remaining:

Gorges
Deshairnes

We can use the $ saved on them to fill our needs.

DD was signed under the new CBA, so I don't think you can buy himout...Gorges is a consideration though...after his brutal 48 game season...

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Kaberle only has one year left. He actually is not a horrible player. I can live with him for one year. We have other guys who I wish were gone with multi years remaining:

Gorges
Deshairnes

We can use the $ saved on them to fill our needs.

Agree with you on Kaberle, he was good enough to play bottom pairing and specialist. Buying out Gorges is a terrible idea, go find me a top 4 defensive dman and tell me how much we would save under 3.9. Desharnais can't be bought out so that is a non starter.

What we should have done is keep Kaberle and possibly make a trade that would net us a valuable asset in return for us buying out another teams bad contract. Kaberle wasn't bad enough to use a buyout on, I hope Bergevin starts making better moves because so far he has looked below average.

 

[FlyingKostitsyn]

Agree with you on Kaberle, he was good enough to play bottom pairing and specialist. Buying out Gorges is a terrible idea, go find me a top 4 defensive dman and tell me how much we would save under 3.9. Desharnais can't be bought out so that is a non starter.

What we should have done is keep Kaberle and possibly make a trade that would net us a valuable asset in return for us buying out another teams bad contract. Kaberle wasn't bad enough to use a buyout on, I hope Bergevin starts making better moves because so far he has looked below average.

Kaberle and Markov on the roster are almost mutually exclusive and Markov is by far the better option.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Actually, paying him 1 mill+ for 14 years isn't a bad deal.

I think us buying out Kaberle is a worse decision.

What?

Bryz buyout got to be the biggest joke in NHL history.

Lame ass franchise.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Kaberle and Markov on the roster are almost mutually exclusive and Markov is by far the better option.

Ya I know people say that but it is wrong, Kaberle is not as good as Markov defensively. Markov can play top 4 whereas Kaberle should be a bottom pairing player. This is like saying "Markov and Diaz are the same thing so we only need one."

You also missed the whole point of my post saying the buyout was more valuable than getting Kaberle off the books.

 

[Wats]

Ya I know people say that but it is wrong, Kaberle is not as good as Markov defensively. Markov can play top 4 whereas Kaberle should be a bottom pairing player. This is like saying "Markov and Diaz are the same thing so we only need one."

You also missed the whole point of my post saying the buyout was more valuable than getting Kaberle off the books.

With the cap going down, Habs can't afford to keep Kaberle. Leaves them with 4-5M which isn't much room for an offseason.

 

[DAChampion]

I'll be happy with the Kaberle buyout if they spend the cash on UFAs.

If they just try to lower payroll to boost profits, then that is a FU to the fans. The Habs should be spending to the cap every year.

I'll be amused if this turns into an O'Byrne situation, where we are crippled by injuries immediately after trading surplus dmen, and then g deplete our asset pool acquiring Paul mara, Brent sopel, etc.

 

[habtastic]

I'll be happy with the Kaberle buyout if they spend the cash on UFAs.

If they just try to lower payroll to boost profits, then that is a FU to the fans. The Habs should be spending to the cap every year.

I'll be amused if this turns into an O'Byrne situation, where we are crippled by injuries immediately after trading surplus dmen, and then g deplete our asset pool acquiring Paul mara, Brent sopel, etc.

On worthwhile UFAs and with keeping in mind how much we will need to keep to pay players for raises in the coming years. I don't need someone signed just to get excited that our team has changed. I'm pretty happy with the development path for prospects that we have and that we have to grow from within first, then add a valuable FA. If the right one comes along, then for sure, snag him.

All this Bickell talk - is there evidence that he wants to come here (I've read that on the boards)? Apart from knowing MB, why else would he for the same price elsewhere? I cannot see the Hawks not re-signing him. From a PR perspective, Hawks fans would be pissssed.

 

[habtastic]

Agree with you on Kaberle, he was good enough to play bottom pairing and specialist. Buying out Gorges is a terrible idea, go find me a top 4 defensive dman and tell me how much we would save under 3.9. Desharnais can't be bought out so that is a non starter.

What we should have done is keep Kaberle and possibly make a trade that would net us a valuable asset in return for us buying out another teams bad contract. Kaberle wasn't bad enough to use a buyout on, I hope Bergevin starts making better moves because so far he has looked below average.

Nobody wanted Kaberle at his current salary. We tried to get rid of him, but it seems he'll only be able to play in the NHL at a new, much lower cap hit.

Disagree that Bergevin looks below average. Brandon Prust alone makes him above average. Therrien has looked good and FWIW, say what you want about last year's team, but I thought they were great. They succumbed to injuries and this was just the team MB inherited. The DD deal...let's see how it pans out. I also think he handled PK very well. Subban may not have had the season he did without the talks and refocussing. I am perfectly fine with paying PK tons of money now as he deserves it and MB knew this was likely. Isn't it nice to have to pay someone that much who actually deserves it? (Though I am a Price fan)