ChaoticOrange
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It would take hugely significant assets to move up from 15th to 6th, for one, and for another Lucic is a long way off from being David Clarkson.
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It would take hugely significant assets to move up from 15th to 6th, for one, and for another Lucic is a long way off from being David Clarkson.
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I've been following this contract closely for two years now
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/lucic-bad-deal.2130707/
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/one-year-later-the-lucic-contract.2402407/
I am not surprised, and I firmly believe a lot of the defenders at the time agree now as well.
The Leafs lucked out with Clarkson, Columbus did them a HUGE favour.
I doubt the Oilers will be as lucky.
To get rid of Lucic it will still cost you salary coming back and it will cost you a good asset going out the door with him.
What was Chiarelli thinking...
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/lucic-bad-deal.2130707/
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/one-year-later-the-lucic-contract.2402407/
I am not surprised, and I firmly believe a lot of the defenders at the time agree now as well.
The Leafs lucked out with Clarkson, Columbus did them a HUGE favour.
I doubt the Oilers will be as lucky.
To get rid of Lucic it will still cost you salary coming back and it will cost you a good asset going out the door with him.
What was Chiarelli thinking...
brock0791
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I mean if you want to just not read what I actually wrote and have a closed mind about it go ahead. I'll repeat it one more time. Clarkson had 16M worth of negative value (3x5.25) Lucic has about 18M worth of negative value if his actual value is 3m per season x 6. At no point did I ever say Lucic was less valuable on the ice i just said contract included he is at best a wash to Clarkson
ChaoticOrange
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There are huge degrees of difference, your approach is far too simplistic. Lucic is a 40-50 point NHLer. Clarkson is on the IR the rest of his career.
ole ole
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In todays NHL without McDavid Lucic would be lucky to hit 30 pts. Face it your stuck with that contract.
I’d trade Beleskey for lucic in a heartbeat need some one to stand up and be a physical presence
brock0791
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This is why i stick to baseball forums. Hockey fans have a lot to learn about financial management and what an underwater contract means
What the heck are you talking about? He has been a 50+ point winger for most of his career. I agree he is overpaid and is having a brutal 2nd half but maybe have a clue when you make a statement like that.
If the Oilers can't make a halfway decent deal for Lucic I would suggest holding on to him until next trade deadline. He might play better with a full year of RNH and a decent system under a new coach.
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Scintillating10
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Maybe movable in trade for Price? Habs were interested in Lucic when he was free agent and Oilers get their goalie.
I don't think Price at 10.5 million makes sense for the Oilers.
I also don't see the Canadiens taking that deal straight up and it doesn't make any sense for the Oilers to pay a huge price for a Price they can't afford.
I also don't see the Canadiens taking that deal straight up and it doesn't make any sense for the Oilers to pay a huge price for a Price they can't afford.
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Oilers
Lucic (50% retained)
2018 1st (First overall protected)
Kings
Kyle Clifford
Spencer Watson
Jordan Subban
Kings and Oilers swap 4th liners with upside. Oilers throw in their First as a sweetener for taking on the extra salary and term.
It's kind of a joke, I am wondering how real this.
Lucic (50% retained)
2018 1st (First overall protected)
Kings
Kyle Clifford
Spencer Watson
Jordan Subban
Kings and Oilers swap 4th liners with upside. Oilers throw in their First as a sweetener for taking on the extra salary and term.
It's kind of a joke, I am wondering how real this.
Most teams, even elite teams, end up with bad contracts at some point. The sky isn't falling and the Oilers don't need to start another rebuild because of Lucic. Yes, his 60-70 points have pretty much turned into 30-40 points but there has always been more to his game than just those points. These panicked trade proposals where Edmonton is eating half his salary or give up first round picks just to get rid of him are a bit ridiculous. Forget the extra 3 million a year he is getting, he is still valuable member of the team going forward. Chia Pete just needs to be more careful with how he hands out his money from now on.
As teams value skating and speed more and more, Lucic is becoming less and less valuable. At that contract he is vastly over paid and no team is going to want that on their books for a player in decline. His intangibles are not close to compensating for that AAV. But I do think as the cash salary declines, he may be moveable for a team needing to add AAV for cap reasons. Unfortunately, his buyout down the road is terrible.
bucks_oil
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The Lucic and Larsson moves both looked great last year when the two were credited with changing the attitude in that room from "guns blazin' looking out for me" to "team".
This year they look horrible because 1) no Sekara, no Eberle, Talbot pooping the bed and no adequate replacements. Lucic was on pace for his normal 45-50 points until Nuge went down and the season went south.
I'm not going to defend the decisions entirely, but things change quickly around here. Neither of those management decisions rank anywhere near the top of my list of bad decisions as an Oilers fan. I would hope Oilers would take a longer term view before packaging assets and eating cap with Lucic... I mean, what would be the point of that? Are they really going to find an RD worth paying this summer/UFA season? I don't see it.
ManofSteel55
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Everyone knows this.
Lucic was actually having an okay season until Christmas. A stretch to say he was playing worth his contract, but he certainly wasn't playing as awful as most seem to think. Since Christmas, he has been at best invisible, and at worst a liability. The one positive is the interview he did last week where he admitted that he needs to drop some muscle so he can increase his speed. Shows solid self awareness, and that's something that a lot of players don't necessarily have. He knows what he should do to get better - whether or not he can do it is another question altogether. I actually don't think Chiarelli sells on him yet. I think he gives him a chance to adapt to the "new" NHL by changing his body shape and working on his speed this summer. Even if he drops down to 220 - 225, he will still be physical and strong enough to be intimidating out there, and if he can do that and pick up some speed, then he'll be far more effective.
ManofSteel55
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Lucic's contract still isn't as bad as Eriksson's. I like Loui, always have, but the wrong team is adding here.
The whole team is playing like crap and are not motivated at all. Give Lucic at least another year to see if he turns it around along with the team before moving him for something worse.
bucks_oil
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Exactly...
First: he's still on pace for 42 points
Second: He's pointless in 11 games. Guess what happened 12 games ago? His centerman RNH went down. At that point he was on pace for 52 points. SAME AS ALWAYS.
If the argument is: Does Lucic drive a line? We can all agree the answer is NO.
But this is still a very useful player, even at $6M given it was a UFA contract. Would I rather 4.5? Heck yeah, but the only way to get a player like Lucic for that is to sign them long term after having drafted them. There are ZERO UFA examples of a player of Lucic caliber signing for that little.
