Speculation: The Official "The League is Against Us" Thread

[Drivesaitl]

Dude, personally, supporting the Oilers has been embarrassing for twenty years, or more. Threads like this just highlight how much some some of our fans are willing to try anything to explain it, except face reality...

The only thing I don't get, is why is it always fans of bad teams that call the flawed officiating out? There is a problem with the officials not calling the book, all over the league. It never gets addressed, in general, only when a team is slowly tanking do fans of said team speak up. Tim Peel got fired for stating a fact. That's the embarrassing bit! It's why a good sense of humour is important if you're going to be a team sports fan.

Not sure I agree with you post but 10pts for "The Young Ones" avatar.

That said its not just at times that the club is struggling that the officiating disparity is mentioned. Fans of the team have done this at different times, and pointing out the double standards and substantiated bias, and do regularly. Clearly fans of the Flames would have less legitimate reason to complain, but still do. Laughably they think they are jobbed, but my condolences to a fanbase that has Mr Hockey, Johnny Gaudreau as their best player. Thats gotta be tough.

 

[EnufAlready]

Not sure I agree with you post but 10pts for "The Young Ones" avatar.

That said its not just at times that the club is struggling that the officiating disparity is mentioned. Fans of the team have done this at different times, and pointing out the double standards and substantiated bias, and do regularly. Clearly fans of the Flames would have less legitimate reason to complain, but still do. Laughably they think they are jobbed, but my condolences to a fanbase that has Mr Hockey, Johnny Gaudreau as their best player. Thats gotta be tough.

Your view of the game is through rose coloured glasses. Gaudreau is playing the best hockey of his career with Sutter holding him accountable. He took a pond hockey player and made him a real player. The same cant be said about Tippett and our Oilers. In fact, the opposite is true

I watched the Flames and Hurricanes game last night. Efforts by Sutter and Brind Amours’s teams far outweighed anything weve seen in a while from our Oilers

Enough of this poor Oiler crap. Its not true. Not real

 

[Oilhawks]

Hilarious!!! Why us? Why the Oilers? Cause we are perennial champions?

Thanks for your input.

It doesn’t have to be a conscious decision. Anyone that thinks McDavid draws enough calls is out to lunch. Period

 

[BlackDogg]

Why can’t it be both the team sucks and they get a worse hand dealt in league-wide shitty officiating?

At the very least, the lack of calls that McDavid generates is embarrassing. Other superstars, too

This thread attracts the usual oil trolls who pretend to be fans for whatever reason and come on here to defend the league. The team has a lot going against them, officiating has been one of them in most aspects, due to having fast players.

 

[Oilhawks]

Your view of the game is through rose coloured glasses. Gaudreau is playing the best hockey of his career with Sutter holding him accountable. He took a pond hockey player and made him a real player. The same cant be said about Tippett and our Oilers. In fact, the opposite is true

I watched the Flames and Hurricanes game last night. Efforts by Sutter and Brind Amours’s teams far outweighed anything weve seen in a while from our Oilers

Enough of this poor Oiler crap. Its not true. Not real

Yeah, the Flames played real great, losing their third in a row. Sutter has their team playing better but they don’t have the top end skill to go anywhere, still. Got spanked by three real contenders in a row.

The point is, superstar players don’t draw nearly enough penalties in this league. If you disagree, that’s fine, I don’t care

 

[EnufAlready]

Thats fine if you wanna say the top players in the league dont draw enough penalties for your liking. Could hold a touch of water. But it aint an Oilers thing.

 

[Oilhawks]

This thread attracts the usual oil trolls who pretend to be fans for whatever reason and come on here to defend the league. The team has a lot going against them, officiating has been one of them in most aspects, due to having fast players.

Indeed. It’s interesting to see so many new faces commenting and “liking” posts. And the usual suspect shit disturbers basking in it all

I’m not even saying the officiating is necessarily worse against the Oilers, but it certainly is trash when it comes to McDavid, I don’t see how anyone can argue against that, unless they are a troll or hater that cheers for a chief rival. The Oilers aren’t necessarily playing hard enough to draw a substantial amount of calls during this shit streak, but one per game average, often with them being truncated by offsetting calls? Garbage.

 

[Oilhawks]

Thats fine if you wanna say the top players in the league dont draw enough penalties for your liking. Could hold a touch of water. But it aint an Oilers thing.

Gud enuf, thx

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Is this the results of the forensic audit?

 

[theguardianII]

GAME MANAGEMENT!

It seems that there are two standards in game management, maybe even three now ever since the league took over assigning and instructing the refs. Hopefully now that the Vegas casinos are involved and all these cameras soon blatant missed calls will diminish.

For a long time in Vancouver fans watched the Sedins slached, hacked, held on to, driven into the boards, used as punching bags on and on with only about one in ten called.

IMO McDavid and players of his ability should be drawing way more calls than are made. Slashing at the minimum should be 2+ a game, hooking, holding and interference.
BUT
You have GAME MANAGEMENT and the NHL's determination for "parity". You see IF they called those penalties BECAUSE one player was that good it might upset "parity".

In the last 25 years or so isn't been a wonder that really good teams will suddenly become stupid and draw penalties at the end of a game, often more than the previous 50 minutes.

Remember when the Flames and Oilers last made the finals and how while penalty counts were close to equal in number the number of 5 on 3's against them was staggering, especially in the 3rd period of games they were winning. Edmonton or Calgary winning the cup would not help expansion or getting a US tv deal.

Call it tin hat stuff, conspiracy stuff what ever stuff, BUT Bettman testified under oath that there is no competition between teams in the NHL, they are all one entity and an entertainment business. See Coyote bankruptcy court documents, they are in the public domain, used to be easy to find but now they are buried beneath millions of astro surfed inquiries

McDavid should be leading the league in penalties drawn, for the top 10 or so players, they should be way ahead in that department. But with close to 40% PP the league can't

 

[Barrsy]

Shocked it took this long for this long for this thread to get created it.

I guess we can only blame bad goaltending, coaching, a GM who gave out bad contracts , lack of scoring, no team chemistry and other things for so long...


Let's try to convince ourselves the league is against us.

Here's a newsflash. There's multiple threads on those subjects.
And here's another newsflash.
Multiple things can be true at the same time.
Amazing

 

[Drivesaitl]

Your view of the game is through rose coloured glasses. Gaudreau is playing the best hockey of his career with Sutter holding him accountable. He took a pond hockey player and made him a real player. The same cant be said about Tippett and our Oilers. In fact, the opposite is true

I watched the Flames and Hurricanes game last night. Efforts by Sutter and Brind Amours’s teams far outweighed anything weve seen in a while from our Oilers

Enough of this poor Oiler crap. Its not true. Not real

Well thats a real high bar. McDrai are more valuable players at their absolute worst moments. "A real player" Well lets see what happens and how long the Sutter magic lasts. Soon as the Flames ran out of teams taking them lightly they hit a wall. They don't have much of the Covid/injury problems the Oilers and other teams have had.

 

[EnufAlready]

Well thats a real high bar. McDrai are more valuable players at their absolute worst moments. "A real player" Well lets see what happens and how long the Sutter magic lasts. Soon as the Flames ran out of teams taking them lightly they hit a wall. They don't have much of the Covid/injury problems the Oilers and other teams have had.

Not saying for an instant that the Flames are a great team or that Id care if they won another game all season. They play harder than we do. They dont have the top end talent. They work and have some goaltending. If we worked that hard and had some accountability, we wouldn't be in this skid as deep as we are

 

[CookiesAndMilk]

That's how I imagine some of the posters in here when they watch an Oilers game. That's also me reading the posts of said fans in this thread.

 

[AM]

That's how I imagine some of the posters in here when they watch an Oilers game. That's also me reading the posts of said fans in this thread.

actually, we’re all going, well this sucks, but at least we don’t have to cheer for the flames.

 

[WatchaMaCarcass]

What is it they say, correlation does not imply causation?

Is the officiating bad? Yeah, league wide. One could argue that McD should be drawing more penalties, based on the speed and skill of his game alone. I've watched the games too, multiple instances every game of me angrily shaking my fist at the TV (Tier 2 fan here, or is it tier 3) and demanding to know "Where's the call, ref?". And there is no call forthcoming. Sucks, but happens to every team.

But several times a game, I've seen Oilers players, McD included, out worked, out hustled and frankly, outplayed, and were forced to either take a call against, or have moments where I shake my head at the TV and say "Lucky he didn't take a penalty there". Again, no call forthcoming. Happens to every team too.

Are the Oilers playing well enough, as a team, to win games? No, unfortunately they are not. Having a 40% PP is nice, but if that's the only way we can win games, there are bigger issues.

 

[Jumptheshark]

What is it they say, correlation does not imply causation?

Is the officiating bad? Yeah, league wide. One could argue that McD should be drawing more penalties, based on the speed and skill of his game alone. I've watched the games too, multiple instances every game of me angrily shaking my fist at the TV (Tier 2 fan here, or is it tier 3) and demanding to know "Where's the call, ref?". And there is no call forthcoming. Sucks, but happens to every team.

But several times a game, I've seen Oilers players, McD included, out worked, out hustled and frankly, outplayed, and were forced to either take a call against, or have moments where I shake my head at the TV and say "Lucky he didn't take a penalty there". Again, no call forthcoming. Happens to every team too.

Are the Oilers playing well enough, as a team, to win games? No, unfortunately they are not. Having a 40% PP is nice, but if that's the only way we can win games, there are bigger issues.

This team needs to play better. Holland gambled in net and lost and now all the other weaknesses are exposed. Holland also hoped Keith would be the new Chelios

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I wonder if Holland regrets tarnishing his legacy.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I wonder if Holland regrets tarnishing his legacy.

WIngs fans have repeatedly said look at his last five years with them. They tried to warn us that the game had passed him by and my hand goes up in not realizing how BADLY out of touch he is

 

[SaltNPeca]

I think NHL reffing just stinks full stop.

Yep. Watch the end of DAL/STL last night as DAL was up 1-0 they take a marginal (make-up?) call, then on a slashing penalty they don't blow the scoring play dead when the puck is played with the same slashed broken stick.

Bowness flipped.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Yep. Watch the end of DAL/STL last night as DAL was up 1-0 they take a marginal (make-up?) call, then on a slashing penalty they don't blow the scoring play dead when the puck is played with the same slashed broken stick.

Bowness flipped.

when thing about not living in the bubble of Edmonton or Canada---I get to see a lot games where Edmonton is not playing--the reffing sucks across the board and every team fan base can and has started this same thread. I get it--many want the oilers to have 10 pp a game so they can get goals.--what about 5 on 5? For 2 seasons we relied on the PP to win games and when the playoffs started and playoff reffing kicked in? Why are the oilers so bad at scoring goals at even strength? That should be the topic.

Many of us said--the oilers will only go as far as the goalies take them--we knew that. The moment Holland trade the pick to used to Wallstedt--he was on my shit list--Wallsted will be a bonified number 1 goalie at some point in time. People say "but the guy we drafted will be in the nhl faster" but will he be better long term? The draft is not about this year or next--it is about 4 years down the line and in 4 years time I predict Wallstadt will be in the nhl serving as back up and putting up great numbers. I have openly admitted I have a problem with how the Q develops their players and when Xavier comes out of JR he will be a raw talent--that are the type of guys you get 22nd over all--usually and it all comes down to how a team develops that player and that is where the problem starts with the oilers--we need to get better at developing the guys we draft who are not taken in the top 10.

The world is not against the Oilers--the oilers are their own worst enemy.

There is one thing that I always think about when we get a fire person X from the organization


The 2012 NHL entry draft--the night before the draft, around the Oilers and Baghdad Bob thought the oilers were taking Ryan Murray. Baghdad Bob was talking him up the night before--Over night something happened--We took Yakupov. No one knows just what happened but someone up high made the decision to draft Yakupov--2012 was a bad draft--in almost every redraft I have seen Morgan Rielly goes first now and only Galchenyak who went 3rd overall still gets taken in the top 10.

Who made the decision to take Yak over Murray? Most say it was Katz and if he did how many other bad decisions has he been involved in?

AS for Bob Nickelsson. Oilers are now worth a lot of money--it is not just about having McDavid on the ice. Nickelsson is a business guy and he knows how to make money for a teams. IN the 16 years he was in charge of Hockey Canada, he redid the business side of things and redid a lot of other things that other countries copied.

We have a fire Nickelson thread--when do we get the thread to get Katz to sell the team? We are running out of people we want to fire

 

[Oilhawks]

when thing about not living in the bubble of Edmonton or Canada---I get to see a lot games where Edmonton is not playing--the reffing sucks across the board and every team fan base can and has started this same thread. I get it--many want the oilers to have 10 pp a game so they can get goals.--what about 5 on 5? For 2 seasons we relied on the PP to win games and when the playoffs started and playoff reffing kicked in? Why are the oilers so bad at scoring goals at even strength? That should be the topic.

Many of us said--the oilers will only go as far as the goalies take them--we knew that. The moment Holland trade the pick to used to Wallstedt--he was on my shit list--Wallsted will be a bonified number 1 goalie at some point in time. People say "but the guy we drafted will be in the nhl faster" but will he be better long term? The draft is not about this year or next--it is about 4 years down the line and in 4 years time I predict Wallstadt will be in the nhl serving as back up and putting up great numbers. I have openly admitted I have a problem with how the Q develops their players and when Xavier comes out of JR he will be a raw talent--that are the type of guys you get 22nd over all--usually and it all comes down to how a team develops that player and that is where the problem starts with the oilers--we need to get better at developing the guys we draft who are not taken in the top 10.

The world is not against the Oilers--the oilers are their own worst enemy.

There is one thing that I always think about when we get a fire person X from the organization


The 2012 NHL entry draft--the night before the draft, around the Oilers and Baghdad Bob thought the oilers were taking Ryan Murray. Baghdad Bob was talking him up the night before--Over night something happened--We took Yakupov. No one knows just what happened but someone up high made the decision to draft Yakupov--2012 was a bad draft--in almost every redraft I have seen Morgan Rielly goes first now and only Galchenyak who went 3rd overall still gets taken in the top 10.

Who made the decision to take Yak over Murray? Most say it was Katz and if he did how many other bad decisions has he been involved in?

AS for Bob Nickelsson. Oilers are now worth a lot of money--it is not just about having McDavid on the ice. Nickelsson is a business guy and he knows how to make money for a teams. IN the 16 years he was in charge of Hockey Canada, he redid the business side of things and redid a lot of other things that other countries copied.

We have a fire Nickelson thread--when do we get the thread to get Katz to sell the team? We are running out of people we want to fire

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I parsed from this is Nicholson is not a problem and it's just Katz and Holland? Got into the sherry stash early?