The NJ Devils Goaltender Thread

[devilsblood]

Well he's only gonna get another start or so there before they have to make a decision on him to bring him up or waive him. If he's not even competitive at the AHL level then what's the point of letting him play here and further emasculating him in front of angry home crowds or salivating road crowds?

Ya, can't have him in NJ coming off a game like this. I'd waive him, which he would surely pass through, and keep him in Bing.

I think this game is a bit of a one off. Certainly not encouraging, but I'm not calling it a career just yet.

 

[Emperoreddy]

They should waive him because he needs a large volume of starts if he ever hopes to work his way back to being serviceable.

Unfortunately for him Bing Devils play nightmarishly bad levels of D. Make the NHL Devils look like a Jennings class unit.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Schneider has 14 days for his conditioning stint which started Sunday this week. Binghamton plays Friday and Saturday this week and next week. I expect Blackwood to get the Friday game this week before the AHL ASG Sunday/Monday.

 

[Bleedred]

Ya, can't have him in NJ coming off a game like this. I'd waive him, which he would surely pass through, and keep him in Bing.

I think this game is a bit of a one off. Certainly not encouraging, but I'm not calling it a career just yet.

I'll have to wait for the full highlight video (with multiple angles and replays, which are still a bit limited and shoddy quality, but better than a gif) but here's what I saw and I just posted it in the AHL thread.

Goal 1: No chance. Tipped in front by a guy.
Goal 2: Typical Cory softy that either goes through him or short side.
Goal 3: Probably went off of somebody in front. No chance if it did.
Goal 4: No chance.
Goal 5: Probably could have had it, need to get a better look at it.

I didn't see goal 6, but I did see a gif of one where they scored on him on a 2 on 0. Whatever goal that was, he had no chance on.

I think goal 4 was the power play goal? No chance on that regardless and definitely no chance on that 2 on 0 goal, or the first goal. Probably no chance on the third one and definitely no chance on the first one.

Goals 2 looked definitely suspect, goal 5 looked like it might have been suspect.

I think it was a one off in that he probably didn't play as bad as the goals against or as bad as he did on paper, but he also played worse in his first game than he did on paper.

I still think he's done. Done as far as being good again. Only left is if he's serviceable or not. I'd say at the very best, he's 2014 Marty level and even 2014 Marty had 1 goal against games and shutouts and streaks of good games. Cory hasn't had a good game this season (I'm not counting Carolina or his 2 goal game the other day, too many weak goals in them and Carolina can't score anyway) and hasn't had more than a 3.5 game run of good play since December of 2017.

 

[Bleedred]

As I've been saying, his last 100 NHL games (including the playoff series last year) Schneider's save percentage is ,903%.

When I also factor in his 6 AHL games played, his save percentage over the last 106 pro level games is .902%. He was a career .925% goalie before this. So he's been a .902% goalie for just over a quarter of his career now.

Since December 29th of 2017, Schneider has appeared in 21 NHL regular season games, 4 NHL playoff games and 6 AHL games. That's 31 pro games and his save percentage over those 31 games is .878%.

I'm surprised that I'm the only one reciting these numbers and that some random reporter hasn't tweeted out these stats yet. I'm pretty sure the Devils analytics department and Ray Shero are already on to these numbers though.

They're pretty scary. Even Rick DiPietro had a .885% or something (I calculated it weeks ago) over his final 50 NHL games played over a 5 year span. Even Rinne (The one elite goalie who appeared to be declining in his early 30's that's returned to previous form) only had an 85-ish game stretch of poor goaltending (save percentage was still around .906%-.908%) over that stretch. And then one other 67 game stretch over two years, before having a resurgent good season, then one more decline year.

 

[bobilly45]

As I've been saying, his last 100 NHL games (including the playoff series last year) Schneider's save percentage is ,903%.

When I also factor in his 6 AHL games played, his save percentage over the last 106 pro level games is .902%. He was a career .925% goalie before this. So he's been a .902% goalie for just over a quarter of his career now.

Since December 29th of 2017, Schneider has appeared in 21 NHL regular season games, 4 NHL playoff games and 6 AHL games. That's 31 pro games and his save percentage over those 31 games is .878%.

I'm surprised that I'm the only one reciting these numbers and that some random reporter hasn't tweeted out these stats yet. I'm pretty sure the Devils analytics department and Ray Shero are already on to these numbers though.

They're pretty scary. Even Rick DiPietro had a .885% or something (I calculated it weeks ago) over his final 50 NHL games played over a 5 year span. Even Rinne (The one elite goalie who appeared to be declining in his early 30's that's returned to previous form) only had an 85-ish game stretch of poor goaltending (save percentage was still around .906%-.908%) over that stretch. And then one other 67 game stretch over two years, before having a resurgent good season, then one more decline year.

Rinne was a much better goalie and always had more upside then cory. Rinne while not having the cup success is an elite goalie, just like henrik

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

As I've been saying, his last 100 NHL games (including the playoff series last year) Schneider's save percentage is ,903%.

When I also factor in his 6 AHL games played, his save percentage over the last 106 pro level games is .902%. He was a career .925% goalie before this. So he's been a .902% goalie for just over a quarter of his career now.

Since December 29th of 2017, Schneider has appeared in 21 NHL regular season games, 4 NHL playoff games and 6 AHL games. That's 31 pro games and his save percentage over those 31 games is .878%.

I'm surprised that I'm the only one reciting these numbers and that some random reporter hasn't tweeted out these stats yet. I'm pretty sure the Devils analytics department and Ray Shero are already on to these numbers though.

They're pretty scary. Even Rick DiPietro had a .885% or something (I calculated it weeks ago) over his final 50 NHL games played over a 5 year span. Even Rinne (The one elite goalie who appeared to be declining in his early 30's that's returned to previous form) only had an 85-ish game stretch of poor goaltending (save percentage was still around .906%-.908%) over that stretch. And then one other 67 game stretch over two years, before having a resurgent good season, then one more decline year.

updating the "cory schneider stinks" excel doc with AHL games now huh

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Rinne was a much better goalie and always had more upside then cory. Rinne while not having the cup success is an elite goalie, just like henrik

not really sure that's true. They have similar numbers over the "prime" of their careers and Rinne has played on way better teams with some of the best D corps in the league. Though I guess Rinne's better years were longer than Cory's were.

 

[Nubmer6]

 

[haak84]

Not sure it’s even going to be possible to give nhl games to Schneider moving forward. This is not good. Feel for the guy.

 

[None Shall Pass]

I'm holding out hope that what Luongo said about this taking more than a year to get over is right, because the chances of Cory being bought out this summer are slim in my opinion.

 

[Triumph]

I'm holding out hope that what Luongo said about this taking more than a year to get over is right, because the chances of Cory being bought out this summer are slim in my opinion.

They are not going to have a choice. Schneider has played 12 games this season between the AHL and NHL and has about an .860 SV%. That's going to need to come up by quite a lot.

 

[Bleedred]

updating the "cory schneider stinks" excel doc with AHL games now huh

And why the f*** shouldn’t I? If he stinks in the AHL, that makes it better than the NHL? You act like I’m using an all star or steeet hockey league in these stats? Everything I’ve said has been factual.

Cory Schneider beyond stinks at this point. But keep drinking the kool aid. Trying to argue he doesn’t is being a homer.

By the way, you said the other day Kinkaid was a tank machine or something? Kinkaid hasn’t even been as bad as Schneider the last two years and he hasn’t even been good either.

 

[Bleedred]

They are not going to have a choice. Schneider has played 12 games this season between the AHL and NHL and has about an .860 SV%. That's going to need to come up by quite a lot.

Using AHL stats bro? Get outta here with that!

It’s actually 14 games though, but he hasn’t exactly played 14 full games, two of them have been in relief and he’s gotten yanked in two others.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm holding out hope that what Luongo said about this taking more than a year to get over is right, because the chances of Cory being bought out this summer are slim in my opinion.

I think the chances of him being bought out are very high. I think the chances of him either being bought out or LTIR’d are astronomically high. I give it an 75%-80% chance one or the other happens.

As far as two years goes, suppose he does need two years to heal the hip from the time or surgery. By that time he’ll be 34 years old and other parts of his game will be eroded anyway.

Also, he’s been showing signs of decay since before the hip injury. It’s just that he was still serviceable (but below average) before the hip. Now it looks like the hip has caused him to be completely unserviceable.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

And why the **** shouldn’t I? If he stinks in the AHL, that makes it better than the NHL? You act like I’m using an all star or steeet hockey league in these stats? Everything I’ve said has been factual.

Cory Schneider beyond stinks at this point. But keep drinking the kool aid. Trying to argue he doesn’t is being a homer.

By the way, you said the other day Kinkaid was a tank machine or something? Kinkaid hasn’t even been as bad as Schneider the last two years and he hasn’t even been good either.

Kinkaid is 4-8-2 in the last two months, tank machine. I'm not saying cory won't also be a machine or that he is even any good right now. I just find it humorous that you keep a running tally of cory's stats as if this board isnt the same 20 people who have seen your essay with references a million times.

 

[Bleedred]

Kinkaid is 4-8-2 in the last two months, tank machine. I'm not saying cory won't also be a machine or that he is even any good right now. I just find it humorous that you keep a running tally of cory's stats as if this board isnt the same 20 people who have seen your essay with references a million times.

The difference between using his 6 AHL games (last 106 games played) and not using them (his last 100 games played) is the difference between one point in save percentage. .903% (only using NHL games) and .902% (adding the 6 AHL games).

I actually don’t keep a running tally. I had to add them all up last night again and it was the first time I calculated his AHL games, but I did calculate .903% as of his last NHL appearance when I ran the numbers last month as of his last NHL game played. NHL.com has a tool that lets you see what a player’s stats are from between certain dates and using NHL regular season games only, Schneider is a .901% goalie over his last 96 games in the NHL in the regular season only.

The reason I use that date as the starting point (November 17th of 2016) is because up to that point in the season, Schneider had a .929% in what I believe was the first 12 or 13 games of that season. It was actually one of the best October’s of his career, if not the best. Since the game against Anaheim on November 17th of 2016, this is when Schneider’s play appeared to fall off, so I think it’s reasonable to use this date as the beginning of his decline, as he was having a great season and a great career before this date.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

The difference between using his 6 AHL games (last 106 games played) and not using them (his last 100 games played) is the difference between one point in save percentage. .903% (only using NHL games) and .902% (adding the 6 AHL games).

I actually don’t keep a running tally. I had to add them all up last night again and it was the first time I calculated his AHL games, but I did calculate .903% as of his last NHL appearance when I ran the numbers last month as of his last NHL game played. NHL.com has a tool that lets you see what a player’s stats are from between certain dates and using NHL regular season games only, Schneider is a .901% goalie over his last 96 games in the NHL in the regular season only.

The reason I use that date as the starting point (November 17th of 2016) is because up to that point in the season, Schneider had a .929% in what I believe was the first 12 or 13 games of that season. It was actually one of the best October’s of his career, if not the best. Since the game against Anaheim on November 17th of 2016, this is when Schneider’s play appeared to fall off, so I think it’s reasonable to use this date as the beginning of his decline, as he was having a great season and a great career before this date.

i fell asleep reading this.

 

[Bleedred]

i fell asleep reading this.

You’ve must have also fallen asleep during Cory Schneider’s games, with the way you’ve defended him and knocked my posts about his painfully obvious decline and your disregard.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

You’ve must have also fallen asleep during Cory Schneider’s games, with the way you’ve defended him and knocked my posts about his painfully obvious decline and your disregard.

how could i fall asleep with so much action happening?

 

[MadDevil]

You’ve must have also fallen asleep during Cory Schneider’s games, with the way you’ve defended him and knocked my posts about his painfully obvious decline and your disregard.

It's not that your analysis is wrong, it just gets kind of annoying reading the exact same posts 100 times.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

It's not that your analysis is wrong, it just gets kind of annoying reading the exact same posts 100 times.

It's kind of annoying when the player being discussed shits the bed exactly the same way 100 times too.

I won't fault Bleed, as he's obviously passionate and his posts are well thought out and argued.

Blind player defense needs to stop when it comes to goalies. Neither goalie we have is worth a damn thing right now, and most likely won't be any time soon.

 

[Satans Hockey]

I feel bad for Cory, he's a great guy, couldn't be nicer to the fans and seems like a great teammate. Even when he could he never threw his teammates under the bus in post game interviews.

It's a shame he had this injury, the surgery recovery is clearly affecting him physically and we can only guess how much mentally now.

I hope he can somehow, someway turn it around but it's really not looking good.

 

[Cage Helmet]

It's not that your analysis is wrong, it just gets kind of annoying reading the exact same posts 100 times.

He definitely posts about it too much which is a waste of time because I don’t think anybody cares right now. It is almost hard to believe he’s been that incredibly bad, just because that’s replacement level play at the position. I’ve always been of the mind that after last year he was probably shot and wouldn’t be the same again. I did think he’d be serviceable for a year or two beyond this campaign and that’s something he hasn’t been at the national league level nor the American League level.

Blind player defense needs to stop when it comes to goalies. Neither goalie we have is worth a damn thing right now, and most likely won't be any time soon.

For sure. There’s too many biases and posters playing favorites here. That’s why this thread was needed. There’s always one or two posters in a GDT when Schneids is in giving him every excuse you can imagine. He’s injured, he hasn’t played much, there was a screen, the shooter is world class, Sevo got caught adjusting his jock, Melanson is a bad coach, etc. These are the people who really need to take a look at the 100 game stats for him that Bleed posts over and over again. One poster is calling KK a tank machine because of his last month as they defend Schneids. Like he’s really the worst option we got. And then while we’re at it, you got people who defend KK the same way. There’s one poster that insists he’s getting signed to be a starter after this year and that any weak goal on him is always emphasized as being worse when it’s on Schneids or MB29. I do think KK deserves to be faulted less because he’s getting paid peanuts and he wasn’t signed to play the role he’s been in for the last year. I’d like Schneids to go away for good after this year. Unless it’s in a non-playing role. I think it’s time to also move on from KK. As much as it pained me to see the GOAT get put out in 2014 it needed to be done. And it needs to be done to Schneids after this year and probably Kinker too.

 

[glenwo2]

My thread......MY THREAD!!

Cory blows!

Kinky's Mediocre!


Play Blackwood more!


Marty's better! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

(okay I'm done)