The NHL is Eyeing Austin Texas instead of Houston - Oak View agrees to Build New Arena!!!

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I would like to see Houston get a team as well. The Aeros were a great team in the WHA and I used to enjoy the rivalry our Winnipeg Jets had with Houston during that time. Don't give up hope for a team in Houston.

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The Aeros-Jets rivalry in the WHA was great. Gordie Howe vs. Bobby Hull. Usually played in front of full houses, even in Houston. But that was a long time ago.
A lot has changed. The current Rockets owner, a non-hockey guy, has publicly stated he would welcome an NHL franchise in Houston, and then he comments
that it might be a struggle, and that it "has to work". Well, there are no guarantees that it will work, especially if he expects 14,000 to 15,000 season tickets, as he
has also stated publicly. If he doesn't want to take the chance, then step aside, and let some other city step in. Preferably, Austin.
 

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You could have said the same thing about Las Vegas not too long ago.
Only if you didn't care about TV ratings and fan surveys.

My evidence is anecdotal so take it for what it's worth, but I've found that in Las Vegas the crowd is significantly more diverse than I would have expected based on the commonly accepted demographics of "hockey fans." It makes me wonder if an expansion team has a different dynamic than a long tenured team with a much more developed fanbase. All that to say that I wouldn't necessarily think having a population that doesn't closely match the prototypical hockey fan attributes should be a reason to dismiss a city out of hand.
 
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So... would the NHL investing in marketing the sport to Hispanic fans be a good idea?

NHL marketing to anyone is a good idea if the goal is to grow the game. You don't have to be white to enjoy the game, and they would be much better off trying to cater towards everyone.

The NHL can and will schedule around all of that. NCAA schedules for most sports are done years in advance.

Out of conference games, are generally set up years in advance, but conference games for football aren't set until the late winter or early spring before the season. At least its that way in the ACC, not sure about the Big XII. If you're talking about basketball (of which UT still has a large following, and would overlap the NHL season), scheduling for that entire season is done pretty much at the same time as the NHL is trying to set theirs. It has led to scheduling issues in Raleigh where the Canes and NC State share the same arena.
 

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Dunno where you're getting that, but Austin is not "over 50% Hispanic" by any stretch of the imagination, it's only about a third. The non-Hispanic white population in the city proper is 48%, which is really damn high for an actual city-limits population of a large American city, let alone in the South/Southwest.

Houston and San Antonio, respectively, are at 24-25%. Here's the latest census estimates on Austin/Travis County, Houston/Harris County, and San Antonio/Bexar County.

Now, census stats are imperfect for comparing these things, because different cities and states draw their lines much differently. "Pittsburgh" for example, only includes a really confined area, so outlying towns that are just a few miles from downtown and culturally indistinguishable from the city, like Wilkinsburg, are cut out of Census counts for the city proper. Meanwhile, "Nashville" and many other southern cities stretch on FOREVER and have reaches that would definitely be considered separate suburbs were the cities up North.

So everything is an approximation, of course, which is why you can also look at counties for certain cities to get a better sense. It's an unfortunate fact for NHL viability, and the game will grow slowly in cultural appeal as more cultures are represented, but demographics play a huge part in team viability.

The theory used to be HUGE CITY/BIG SUBURBS=BEST MARKET, but I think teams in the Atlanta, Phoenix, and Miami areas have shown that it's more about developing a strong team in an area that'll more readily adapt it into its culture. Income, size, demographics, relevant industries, you name it: Austin is a lot more like Nashville, perhaps the league's finest Southern success, than it is Houston or San Antonio, which more closely resemble the league's largest expansion/relocation failures.
Not really. Atlanta, Phoenix and Miami always struggle for fan support no matter the sport. Especially PHX and MIA. The Diamondbacks, Suns, Marlins, Dolphins, Braves, Heat, and until the Matt Ryan era the Falcons all have or routinely struggle at the gate unless they are championship contenders. If demographics had as big a role as we hockey fans think, then explain why the Hawks struggle in Atlanta. Miami has a large hispanic population yet only 13 people at a time attend Marlins games
 
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They do have a pro team, it's called the Longhorns and their colors are burnt orange and white.

Can you imagine an NHL game in Austin on the same day as a U of T football game? The NHL arena would be empty.
it would almost be like a Blue Jackets game the same day as a Buckeyes game...oh darn
 

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The Aeros-Jets rivalry in the WHA was great. Gordie Howe vs. Bobby Hull. Usually played in front of full houses, even in Houston. But that was a long time ago.
A lot has changed. The current Rockets owner, a non-hockey guy, has publicly stated he would welcome an NHL franchise in Houston, and then he comments
that it might be a struggle, and that it "has to work". Well, there are no guarantees that it will work, especially if he expects 14,000 to 15,000 season tickets, as he
has also stated publicly. If he doesn't want to take the chance, then step aside, and let some other city step in. Preferably, Austin.

This is Houston's best chance at a franchise. For all the heat Bettman takes he wouldn't let the history of the Alberta teams move there in the ales Alexander era. It's Houston that Jeremy Jacobs want. Bob McKenzie mentioned Austin half heartedly, and somehow it picked up steam. But the NHL wants a Houston Aeros franchise to increase the brand of the league. The cord cutting with Phoenix is coming to its end. It may not be a profitable franchise, maybe only Atlanta successful, depending on management. With better tax breaks. The franchise could sell out for a few years, and that's good business when you see a lot of empty seats in some hockey arenas this year.
 
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NHL marketing to anyone is a good idea if the goal is to grow the game. You don't have to be white to enjoy the game, and they would be much better off trying to cater towards everyone.

Exactly. I don't know why the NHL would shy away from a market because of that. Get Scott Gomez as part of the organization and start marketing. Grow the fan base.

Out of conference games, are generally set up years in advance, but conference games for football aren't set until the late winter or early spring before the season. At least its that way in the ACC, not sure about the Big XII. If you're talking about basketball (of which UT still has a large following, and would overlap the NHL season), scheduling for that entire season is done pretty much at the same time as the NHL is trying to set theirs. It has led to scheduling issues in Raleigh where the Canes and NC State share the same arena.

The main reason a "Columbus/Ohio State, Austin/UT" scheduling thing isn't an issue. Schools play 2/3 of their games in the afternoon.

Texas has played 21 night games out of the last 60 regular season games.
Ohio State has played 87 night games EVER. Only 20 home night games.

You're looking at checking a couple days on the schedule and saying "their game is early, so that's not a problem... oh wait, they've got a night game on this day, let's drop the puck at 1 p.m. that day."
 

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Exactly. I don't know why the NHL would shy away from a market because of that. Get Scott Gomez as part of the organization and start marketing. Grow the fan base.



The main reason a "Columbus/Ohio State, Austin/UT" scheduling thing isn't an issue. Schools play 2/3 of their games in the afternoon.

Texas has played 21 night games out of the last 60 regular season games.
Ohio State has played 87 night games EVER. Only 20 home night games.

You're looking at checking a couple days on the schedule and saying "their game is early, so that's not a problem... oh wait, they've got a night game on this day, let's drop the puck at 1 p.m. that day."

Exactly. I don't know why the NHL would shy away from a market because of that. Get Scott Gomez as part of the organization and start marketing. Grow the fan base.



The main reason a "Columbus/Ohio State, Austin/UT" scheduling thing isn't an issue. Schools play 2/3 of their games in the afternoon.

Texas has played 21 night games out of the last 60 regular season games.
Ohio State has played 87 night games EVER. Only 20 home night games.

You're looking at checking a couple days on the schedule and saying "their game is early, so that's not a problem... oh wait, they've got a night game on this day, let's drop the puck at 1 p.m. that day."
Yeah. And there also isnt an issue with just having the hockey game the night before/after. Blue Jackets hosted the new look Maple Leafs on Friday night and then the OSU-Michigan game at noon the next day. Both games sold out
 

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isn't that how Dallas acquired the territory, Cedar Park is Austin, and the Stars ran the franchise when awarded

For the love of God, will you just stop this? You have been told countless times that Dallas DOES NOT control the Austin market. The distance from Austin to Dallas is nearly 200 miles, far exceeding the 50 mile rule that the NHL has for encroaching fees. Is there a moderator that can look into this? Repeatedly claiming the same thing, ad-verbatim, knowing full well of the NHL rules for encroaching on NHL territory has got to be considered some sort of trolling, especially when numerous forum members have stated this to you.
 
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Exactly. I don't know why the NHL would shy away from a market because of that. Get Scott Gomez as part of the organization and start marketing. Grow the fan base.



The main reason a "Columbus/Ohio State, Austin/UT" scheduling thing isn't an issue. Schools play 2/3 of their games in the afternoon.

Texas has played 21 night games out of the last 60 regular season games.
Ohio State has played 87 night games EVER. Only 20 home night games.

You're looking at checking a couple days on the schedule and saying "their game is early, so that's not a problem... oh wait, they've got a night game on this day, let's drop the puck at 1 p.m. that day."
Not to mention OSU and CBJ do not share an arena.
 
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I can not picture a world were a professional sports team would do well in Austin, TX unless that professional sport had something to do with illegal substances or soy-milk lattes.

Houston has already proven they can support a hockey team but they have almost 3x the population of Austin. Law of probability alone makes it more likely for Houston to be successful with a franchise.
 

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I agree it's best to find out more details of the design before jumping to conclusions if this paves the way for the NHL.

1) Does this new arena have an ice plant or are there plans to add it during construction. With a 338 million dollar price tag and the goal to have it open in fall 2021, it doesn't sound like it.

2) After the first 10 years, revenue collected from the building will be split between OVG and the University. The first decade's revenues will go to OVG only. Having a 3rd party NHL owner will mean another mouth to feed and in a league that's still pretty gate dependant, that's significant.

3) With this being built for the University and on campus, there seems to be no room for any real estate development that a would be owner can benifet from to earn additional revenue to offset not earning from the building itself. In addition, there is scheduling priority for UT events, which would make operating an NHL team there more of a challenge. It's uncommon for a major league sports team to be a tennant below the NCAA's needs.

With this building appearing to meet the needs of UT moving forward and a modern venue for concerts and other non-sporting events (keep in mind OVG is in the concert venue business first and foremost), the political will to build an arena for the NHL may now be less and this project can actually hinder the NHL ever coming to the Austin area.
 
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I agree it's best to find out more details of the design before jumping to conclusions if this paves the way for the NHL.

1) Does this new arena have an ice plant or are there plans to add it during construction. With a 338 million dollar price tag and the goal to have it open in fall 2021, it doesn't sound like it.

2) After the first 10 years, revenue collected from the building will be split between OVG and the University. The first decade's revenues will go to OVG only. Having a 3rd party NHL owner will mean another mouth to feed and in a league that's still pretty gate dependant, that's significant.

3) With this being built for the University and on campus, there seems to be no room for any real estate development that a would be owner can benifet from to earn additional revenue to offset not earning from the building itself. In addition, there is scheduling priority for UT events, which would make operating an NHL team there more of a challenge. It's uncommon for a major league sports team to be a tennant below the NCAA's needs.

With this building appearing to meet the needs of UT moving forward and a modern venue for concerts and other non-sporting events (keep in mind OVG is in the concert venue business first and foremost), the political will to build an arena for the NHL may now be less and this project can actually hinder the NHL ever coming to the Austin area.
Hmmm. Concerts like Beyoncé, Drake, JT, etc at the UT campus?

How easily accessible is this arena going to be for the working folk in downtown Austin to get to?
 

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