stokes84
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Not really. If you can do better for Myers, go for it. Hopefully we can.
Rumor: The never-ending Myers rumors
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Not really. If you can do better for Myers, go for it. Hopefully we can.
stokes84
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Mantha, but I don't see that being available. Dekeyser + Pulkkinen is better than Fowler + Bourque or the other stuff that is floating around.
Sinter Klaas
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The fact that the Sabres are willing to trade Myers, leads me to believe that there is something about his game they do not like.
And spare me with the "they aren't actively shopping him non-sense". With so many rumors flying around you can conclude logically that they are in discussions with other teams about the possibility of trading him. Whether the Sabres are initiating them or not, they are willing and listening or I can't imagine there would be all of this chatter.
And spare me with the "they aren't actively shopping him non-sense". With so many rumors flying around you can conclude logically that they are in discussions with other teams about the possibility of trading him. Whether the Sabres are initiating them or not, they are willing and listening or I can't imagine there would be all of this chatter.
struckbyaparkedcar
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Yeah, I'm having a hard time removing your emotional biases from a scenario that:
A) moves Myers for a "nyah nyah, told you he wasn't valuable" package (after creating the circumstances for this to happen)
B) opens long term NHL development space from Grigorenko
C) removes competition at forward from Ennis
D) bets against Reinhart becoming more valuable than OEL as soon as next season
I wonder if the Phoenix fan base will go full dodo bird in assessing his talent as they enter tank mode, and the talent around OEL dries up
I agree that over their careers OEL has shown to be the better player, but to the bolded part of that can be attributed to Yotes having a stronger team for the last 4 years. This year you could claim is OEL having a down year, or you could look at as both guys having a level playing field of being on hot garbage teams. What were the numbers like last year?
did you sneak Bourque in there because you knew the basis of what you were saying was laughable, and figured you'd bring down the value a bit with a waiver wire player?
The Dekeyser + Pulkinnen proposal is so bad... but it's also hysterical in a stokesian sense. The 2 players who compare best to those 2 guy's ceilings, from recent Sabres teams.... Sekera and Hodgson. Your two favorites
That's the best case scenario in that trade.So prospects. Gotcha. DeKeyser wishes he were as good as Myers. Mantha is nice, not trading an established top 3 D-man for him. Pulkkinen is the one Detroit prospect I think busts. His skating is too bad for him to be an effective top 6 player
stokes84
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Probably not, because he's done it before and for a long time. Unlike Myers, who hasn't been great since the first 60 games of his career.
Or, they are taking calls, asking for ridiculously high value packages.... because they like a LOT of things about his game, and are only going to trade him if someone makes a "crazy" offer, like Murray has said.
If you don't listen to offers, you miss out when someone finally offers Fowler, Ritchie, Gibson, 1st
struckbyaparkedcar
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Are you forgetting where he was a playoff team's best defensemen at everything in 2011 or...
stokes84
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did you sneak Bourque in there because you knew the basis of what you were saying was laughable, and figured you'd bring down the value a bit with a waiver wire player?
The Dekeyser + Pulkinnen proposal is so bad... but it's also hysterical in a stokesian sense. The 2 players who compare best to those 2 guy's ceilings, from recent Sabres teams.... Sekera and Hodgson. Your two favorites
He's better than Hodgson ever was in the minors. So it looks like he's going to pass that ceiling, maybe already has. And I never hated Sekera. He was a no. 3 to me. I hated how you tried to convince people he was something he's not, a no. 1.
Myers has played better this year than he ever did in his rookie year. He is a much better player, and the only thing holding him back from the point totals he had as a rookie is being on the worst team in the league instead of top ten scoring division winner.
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Sinter Klaas
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Call me crazy but I don't think multiple teams randomly called Murray about Tyler Myers unless he let it be known first that he was available.
stokes84
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I'll take the small step back from Myers to Dekeyser to add a really nice prospect, yeah.
For someone who keeps going on about context, which is funny in general, the last time Hodgson was in the AHL as a 21 year old, Pulkinnen is 23, he put up a ppg and then jumped to the NHL as soon as the lockout was over and put 34 pts in 48 games. What are you talking about?
stokes84
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They do when a team is terrible. If you look back over the history of the league any team that is terrible and out of the playoffs has ton of trade rumors, because media wants viewers/readers and this is the easiest rumor to create. Why wouldn't a bad team trade a good player...etc. It's pretty common. Same reason why good teams generally don't have rumors about their good players without a crazy issue of some kind, the media has a harder time rationalizing why a good team hurts their chances to win in the playoffs.
Oops he was actually 22, the page I was on hadn't updated. He turned 23 when the NHL was back in session. Where he went on to put up big numbers. Of course he had already been putting up numbers in the NHL cuz you know he was past the AHL already.
http://sabres.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8474570
I think the extent of the rumor mill has as much to do with the click-bait online "news" industry as anything else. I go to one website that summarizes NHL rumor mill fodder, and I usually do not click on the separate links, just read headlines. I refuse to scroll through various sites knowing that it's just attention grabbing lies meant to drive ad revenue.
I believe maybe 2% of trade rumors have any possible validity to them, and that validity is in the form of, "GM X said he was interested for position Y" and everything else added in is complete and utter speculative BS that any casual fan could spitball. So just because Myers name keeps coming up means one thing - hockey media sources have seen how much it drives web visits, so it's good business to say his name for the next six weeks. That's all.
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