The MLD 2020 Thread

[VanIslander]

MLD 2020
The draft is done!​

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards and a coach, with 3 additional picks to be used for whatever position(s) you want.

A 24-hour clock for the first two rounds, then a 12-hour clock for rounds 3-6, then an 8-hour clock for rounds 7-16 and a 6-hour clock for rounds 17-20 and a 4-hour clock for rounds 21-24.

No trades other than initial trade position.

The time limit is 24 hours for picks in the first two rounds. If you miss a time window don't panic, just make up the pick ASAP. Or, you can PM your preferred pick to someone beforehand and they can make the pick for you.

Suggestion: POST A REASON OR STATISTIC OR DESCRIPTION WITH YOUR PICK to aid discussion and let us know a bit about the pick, as many may not be household names, especially from other eras.

PM the next GM after your selection. And please post a notice to that effect on the draft thread to ensure a smooth flow to the draft.

Any player from any league or era are eligible as long as they were not at all drafted in the ATD 2020 (that means add/drops are ineligible too). As soon as a pick is posted, the next team's clock will begin even if an ineligible player is chosen: the pick will simply be made up as soon as possible.

Player selection should be based on what they have done (the 'next best' draft, so to speak, the greatest all-time careers not honored by being picked in the main ATD 2020 draft), and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that there is a bit of historical hypothetical projection with players whose careers were cut short by injury.

At the end of the draft a team there will be an add/drop period inwhich one could pick up an undrafted UFA and simply discard a draft pick.

The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following all-time hockey periods:

1916 or earlier
1917-1942
1943-1965
1966-1979
1980-1994
1995-2009
in 2020 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).

On another front, there will be a regular season all-star team of 1LW, 1RW, 1C, 2D, 1G, and 1Coach voted on after the regular season.

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[VanIslander]

MLD 2020 Draft picks:

Round 1:

1. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Jimmy Carson, C
2. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Cliff Ronning, C
3. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Jiri Lala, RW
4. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Alexei Zhamnov, C
5. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Gus Bodnar, C
6. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Andrei Khomutov, RW
7. Habsfan18- Cornwall Aces - Pierre Larouche, C
8. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Josef Cerny, C

Round 2:

9. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Doug Bodger, D
10. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Roger Crozier, G
11. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Phat Wilson, D
12. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Don Edwards, G
13. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Tom Paton, G
14. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Bill Ranford, G
15. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Cam Ward, G
16. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Robert Lang, C

Round 3:

17. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Eric Brewer, D
18. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Geoff Courtnall, LW
19. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Normand Rocheford, D
20. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Rick Ley, D
21.tony d - Detroit Vipers - Doug Jarrett, D
22. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Nikolai Khabibulin, G
23. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Jyrki Lumme, D
24. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Dolly Swift, rover

Round 4:

25. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Weldy Young, D
26. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Grant Warwick, RW
27. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Pavel Kubina, D
28. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Tony Gingras, RW
29. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Mattias Norstrom, D
30. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Herb Jordan, C
31. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Sibby Nichols, LW
32. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Petr Nedved, LW/C

Round 5:

33. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Martin Straka, F
34. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Barry Ashbee, D
35. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Jason Smith, D
36. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Vladimir Ruzicka, C/LW
37. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Bob Carpenter, C
38. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Ulf Sterner, LW
39. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Viktor Zhluktov, C
40. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Mike Rogers, C

Round 6:

41. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Marty Turco, G
42. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Mike O'Connell, D
43. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Rick Kehoe, RW
44. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Gordie Roberts, D
45. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Lars Bjorn, D
46. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Bohuslav Stastny, LW
47. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Lasse Oksanen, RW
48. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Ilkka Sinisalo, RW

Round 7:

49. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Murray Craven, C
50. Claude the Fraud - Ganby Predateurs - Risto Siltanen, D
51. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Robbie Ftorek, C
52. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Torey Krug, D
53. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Sami Kapanen, LW
54. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Billy Reay, C
55. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Alex Shibicky, LW
56. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Viktor Polupanov, C

Round 8:

57. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Buzz Boll, LW
58. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Rick Green, D
59. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Roland Stoltz, D
60. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Billy Harris, RW
61. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Pierre Mondou, C
62. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Janne Niinamaa, D
63. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Mitch Marner, RW
64. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Ed Carpenter, D

Round 9:

65. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Peter Zezel, C
66. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Bill Barilko, D
67. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Andrew Brunette, LW
68. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Tomas Holmstrom, LW
69. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Barry Gibbs, D
70. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Cliff Koroll, RW
71. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Tomas Plekanec, C
72. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Alexei Guryshev, C

Round 10:

73. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Brad Marsh, D
74. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Cory Stillman, LW
75. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Nick Mickoski, RW
76. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Doc
Romnes, C/LW
77. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Eddie Shack, W
78. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Dougie Hamilton, D
79. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Dave Ellett, D
80. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Dallas Drake, RW

Round 11:

81. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Valtteri Filppula, F
82. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Ray Sheppard, RW
83. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Mac Colville, RW
84. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Art Chapman, C
85. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Larry Patey, C
86. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Garry Galley, D
87. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Joe Cooper, D
88. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Billy Boucher, RW

Round 12:

89. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Alex Steen, C
90. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Scott Young, RW
91. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Harry "Moose" Watson, C
92. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Dave Maloney, D
93. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - T.J. Oshie, RW/C
94. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Manny Malhotra, C
95. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Doug Brown, RW
96. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Nick Libett, LW

Round 13:

97. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Zarley Zalapski, D
98. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Butch Keeling, LW
99. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Jochen Hecht, LW
100. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Mike Murphy, RW
101. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Geoff Sanderson, LW
102. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Viktor Shuvalov, C
103. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Joe Carveth, RW
104. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Bruce Ridpath, RW

Round 14:

105. kruezer ' Powassan Voodoos - Randy McKay, RW
106. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Warren Godfrey, D
107. Johnny Engine - Victoria Voo Doo - Claude Larose, RW
108. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Randy Burridge, LW
109. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Mike Krushelnyski, LW/C
110. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Mike Grier, RW
111. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Bryan Berard, D
112. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Rick Zombo, D

Round 15:

113. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Jose Theodore, G
114. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Mud Bruneteau, RW
115. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Mike Knuble, RW
116. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Ron Wilson, coach
117. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Bob Murdoch, D
118. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Bill Brydge, D
119. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Orest Kindrachuk, C
120. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Andy Greene, D

Round 16:

121. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Lou Vairo, coach
122. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Steve Konowalchuk, LW
123. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Kelly Kisio, C
124. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Paul Maurice, coach
125. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Paul MacLean, RW
126. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Percy Traub, D
127. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Gilles Gilbert, G
128. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Craig Muni, D

A SIX (6) HOUR clock begins now!

Round 17:

129. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Larry Hillman, D
130. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Bryan Murray, coach
131. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Bob Trapp, D
132. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Jeff Skinner, LW
133. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Mike Cammalleri, LW
134. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Joey Juneau, C/LW
135. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Fred Scanlan, LW
136. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Cal Gardner, C

Round 18:

137. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Jocelyn Guevremont, D
138. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Bun Cook, coach
139. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Moose Goheen, LW
140 tony d - Detroit Vipers - Vladimir Malakhov, D
141. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Sergei Starikov, D
142. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Ron Murphy, LW
143. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Thomas Gradin, C
144. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Jim Fox, RW

Round 19:

145. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Petri Skriko, W
146. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predators - P.J. Axelsson, LW
147. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Dwayne Roloson, G
148. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Viktor Konovalenko, G
149. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Cam Atkinson, RW
150. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Jake Muzzin, D
151. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Aaron Ekblad, D
152. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Jonathan Huberdeau, LW

Round 20:

153. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Reggie Lemelin, G
154. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Gerry McNeil, G
155. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Bert Lindsay, G
156. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Frederik Andersen, G
157. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Marty Burke, D
158. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Steve Rucchin, C
159. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Travis Zajac, C
160. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Jaroslav Spacek, D

A FOUR (4) hour clock begins now!

Round 21:

161. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Dave Brown, RW
162. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Hampus Lindhom, D
163. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Pete Muldoon, Coach
164. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Don Raleigh, C
165. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Ronald Pettersen, RW
166. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Bobby Kromm, coach
167. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Hobey Baker, D
168. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Jim Peplinski, RW

Round 22:

169. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - George Owen, D
170. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Billy Gilmour, RW
171. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Frans Neilson, LW
172. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Doug Crossman, D
173. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Tony Granato, RW
174. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Harry Trihey, C
175. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Behn Wilson, D
176. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Earl Robertson, G

Round 23:

177. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Joe Matte, D
178. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - Laurie Boschman, C
179. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Lee Fogolin Jr, D
180. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Doug Smail, LW
181. tony d - Detroit Vipers - Mikael Renberg, RW
182. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Danny Grant, RW
183. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Bronco Horvath, C
184. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Steve Payne, LW

Round 24:

185. kruezer - Powassan Voodoos - Dutch Reibel, C
186. Habsfan18 - Cornwall Aces - Alexander Golikov, RW
187. Johnny Engine - Vancouver Voo Doo - Alex Edler, D
188. tony d - Detroit Vipers - John Cullen, C
189. VanIslander - Maine Black Bears - Dave Lewis, D
190. ResilientBeast - Seattle Kraken - Keith Acton, C
191. Claude the Fraud - Granby Predateurs - David Legwand, C
192. tabness - Vancouver Voodoo - Gerard Gallant, coach




Draft order:
1. @tabness
2. @Claude The Fraud
3. @ResilientBeast
4. @VanIslander
5. @tony d
6. @Johnny Engine
7. @Habsfan18
8. @kruezer

Divisions:

• Vancouver Voodoo, Seattle Kraken, Detroit Vipers, Cornwall Aces
• Granby Prédateurs, Maine Black Bears, Victoria Voo Doo, Powassan Voodoos

 

[VanIslander]

Have a good draft!

 

[Habsfan18]

An important rule to remember for those playing their first MLD:

The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following all-time hockey periods:

1916 or earlier
1917-1942
1943-1965
1966-1979
1980-1994
1995-2009
in 2020 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

On another front, there will be a regular season all-star team of 1LW, 1RW, 1C, 2D, 1G, and 1Coach voted on after the regular season.

I really hope that the MLD All Star teams actually happen this year. To the extent that the MLD is to get players ready for the ATD, IMO, the All-Star Teams are at least as important as the actual winners.

In the past, we had All-Star voting for top 6 forwards and top 6 forwards separately.

I would be happy to run the MLD All-Star teams, to take some of the admin burden off of theo.

 

[tabness]

Is the rule to take at least one player from every era (as defined here) just for playoff eligibility? I’m not super interested in playoffs obviously, so I’d personally break that rule to draft the team I like but if this bothers many people or is one of those “spirit of the draft” things I’ll suck it up (don’t want to draft active players for example)

 

[VanIslander]

C'mon, ... it's an ALL-time draft!

Consider all eras of hockey greats.

That said,... remember: You get three EXTRA/BENCH picks, so feel to be biased against a couple of eras and get them much later, in rounds 20+. You only need ONE from each era to be a worthy all-time great team!

 

[Dreakmur]

Is the rule to take at least one player from every era (as defined here) just for playoff eligibility? I’m not super interested in playoffs obviously, so I’d personally break that rule to draft the team I like but if this bothers many people or is one of those “spirit of the draft” things I’ll suck it up (don’t want to draft active players for example)

If you draft the best available players, you're likely to end up with every era represented regardless.

 

[tabness]

edit: was taken (authentic spelling rather than anglicized lol)

 

[Habsfan18]

For easy and quick access:

ATD 2020 Draft Thread V

All players in that OP are ineligible to be taken in the MLD. Just click on the link and do a quick search. Hopefully the search engine is working properly now.

 

[tabness]

All right, I'll take Jimmy Carson

Though later the knock on him was that he played slow and soft, Carson was actually extremely gifted. He was a very good skater despite a gumpy stride (though knee injuries robbed him of some of this quite early), with great one step quickness and ability to change direction. His shot was one of the best in the league, and the naturally intelligent Carson had great hockey sense of course. Despite being such a lethal shooter, he was also a really good passer and playmaker too. At least early on in his career, he was willing to take the body and throw his weight around when necessary.

Carson is generally maligned as a guy who didn't want to really play, but that's unfair. The circumstances of the Gretzky trade seemed to throw his whole career in whack. He was well liked by his Kings teammates and it probably would have been best for his development to continue playing with his friends Robitaille and Duchesne rather than being expected to replace Gretzky in Edmonton or having to play behind Yzerman and Fedorov in Detroit. Still, the numbers he put up in Detroit are quite impressive given the limited ice time he got and the general tough situation with wingers in Detroit at that time (and he rarely played with Yzerman or Fedorov even on the powerplay). Well, on this team Carson will get the opportunity to be the player he could be (and was even briefly).

This is a pretty nice summary on Carson: Looking Back: Former LA Kings Center Jimmy Carson

 

[VanIslander]

Drafted 2nd overall, Calder finalist, then 3rd and 7th in NHL goals his next two seasons, Carson's career sure looked promising. Then of course it began to unravel. He has 5.5 years of significant play.

Interesting pick.

 

[Claude The Fraud]

The Granby Prédateurs are proud to select, from Burnaby, British Columbia, former member of the Canadian national team and an integral part of the ‘94 Stanley Cup finalist, Cliff Ronning.

 

[VanIslander]

I loved the little guy's compete level. Ronning was known as a "waterbug" who used his 5'8 size and hustle to slip hits to his 165 lbs. frame. He had good anticipation and vision. The juniors star was not supposed to be able to handle the rigors of the NHL and went in the 7th round because of it, proving GMs wrong by playing a 1000+ game career.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Hopefully will pick sometime today. I've had computer troubles and master spreadsheet of old drafts is just gone. Will be rebuilding that today

 

[VanIslander]

"Past Drafts Megathread" is your friend.

 

[ResilientBeast]

The Seattle Kraken will start their franchise off by selecting Jiri Lala, RW

 

[VanIslander]

Maine selects Alexei Zhamnov, the NHL 2nd team all-star center and Lady Byng finalist the year he was 3rd in NHL goals and points. The 6'1 Russian won three Olympic medals, scored three goals in the 1991 Canada Cup, three assists in the 1996 World Cup. He had over a point-per-game average in his four seasons in Winnipeg, then went to Chicago as part of an unpopular Roenick trade, and six years later captained the Blackhawks for two seasons before going to Philly and leading the Flyers in playoff assists to a Game 7 conference finals run in 2004. He retired having scored 719 points in 809 NHL games.

From the Oct. 15th 2002 Chicago Tribune article announcing Zhamnov as the new captain:

Not only is he the Hawks' top offensive center, he also is their top defensive center. Hawks coach Brian Sutter believes Zhamnov should have been a finalist for the Selke Trophy last season that went to the Islanders' Michael Peca as the league's best defensive forward.

 

[Habsfan18]

Zhamnov wasn’t physical at all but he was actually pretty difficult to knock off the puck. Consistency and effort weren’t always where you wanted it to be, but that’s why a guy like that was picked in the 1000 range. There’s no doubting he was ultra talented. Really nice pick.

 

[VanIslander]

Zhamnov wasn’t physical at all but he was actually pretty difficult to knock off the puck. Consistency and effort weren’t always there, but that’s why a guy like that was picked in the 1000 range. There’s no doubting he was ultra talented. Really nice pick.

He had nagging back injuries and was a heavy smoker. Jets fans appreciated his skilled game but those in the Windy City wanted the 200+ pounder to use his size to hit.

He played a skilled game but was responsible defensively.

He had the talent to play puck hog but has said he was trained in the Soviet system of looking to pass to teammates first, admitting at times he should try to score more himself.

 

[tony d]

Going with 1960 Calder trophy winner centre bill hay

 

[Habsfan18]

Going with 1960 Calder trophy winner centre bill hay

Bill Hay was one of the makeup picks seventieslord made in the ATD for the abandoned teams.

I don’t know if he was ever added to the OP, but he was selected.

 

[Habsfan18]

The following players were selected as makeup picks for the abandoned teams:

Coach - Emile Francis

Ryan Miller
Johnny Wilson
Lorne Carr
Garry Unger
Ron Greschner
Kelly Miller
Gary Dornhoefer
Jeff Brown
Billy McGimsie
Valeri Kamensky
Carson Cooper
Gord Fraser
Patrik Sundstrom
Gilles Marcotte
Bill Hay

Coach - Arkady Chernyshev

Seth Martin
Clint Smith
Paul Henderson
Mario Marois
Eddie Wiseman
Steve Thomas
Paul Shmyr
Don Awrey
Herb Cain
Jiri Kralik
Thomas Steen
Dennis Hextall
Barney Stanley
Kevin Dineen

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'll make my pick in an hour or two

 

[tony d]

With my repick I’ll stick with centre Gus Bodnar

The 1944 Calder trophy winner had 4 top 10 assist finishes and twice led the league in short handed goals.