Nac Mac Feegle
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You also need to factor shot quality, not just the number of shots against. I'd be willing to bet the quality of shots against is a much lower now than it was 5 years ago.
You're going in an entirely different direction and not really arguing your initial point. Your initial point hinged on us signing a Russell type/"middle pair" defender who Karlsson can make look good. I pointed out why I think that's not possible and if losing Methot hinges on replacing him via FA with a "Russell type/middle pairing" type it is an unrealistic plan.
Also, your argument now really makes no sense if you attribute us missing the playoffs to Methot not bringing enough offensive considering he has 4 points and Russell has 5......
I really have no idea where you're going with this. Your argument is all over the place.
People keep talking about how bad are defence used tin be but I swear some of y'all were defending cowen boro and aged phillips and saying they were doing fine and saying stuff like "they must be good if management is playing them.
I get that we have to show progress in order to keep EK around, but I also think that ditching his partner and good friend may not be the best way to endear the organization to him.
That new Yotes GM is claiming players... taking on money for assets, using unused cap space
Why can't the Sens do stuff like that?
You also need to factor shot quality, not just the number of shots against. I'd be willing to bet the quality of shots against is a much lower now than it was 5 years ago.
Yes, just look at other stats in relation to Shots Against (since the rebuild started) :
2011-12
CF% = 10th
SF% = 14th
GF% = 14th
SCF% = 28th
HDCF% = th
CA = 17th
SA = 29th
GA = 24th
SCA = 29th
HDCA = th
2012-13
CF% = 6th
SF% = 12th
GF% = 10th
SCF% = 15th
HDCF% = th
CA = 12th
SA = 23th
GA = 2nd
SCA = 18th
HDCA = th
2013-14
CF% = 9th
SF% = 23th
GF% = 23th
SCF% = 26th
HDCF% = th
CA = 24th
SA = 29th
GA = 27th
SCA = 24th
HDCA = th
2014-15
CF% = 15th
SF% = 21st
GF% = 9th
SCF% = 12th
HDCF% = 11th
CA = 19th
SA = 25th
GA = 13th
SCA = 14th
HDCA = 13th
2015-16
CF% = 24th
SF% = 29th
GF% = 17th
SCF% = 26th
HDCF% = 27th
CA = 29th
SA = 30th
GA = 26th
SCA = 28th
HDCA = 20th
* Can't find the HDCA data for 2011-12 to 2013-14 (hard to find since WoI went down)
Maybe someone could help with that?
And for 2016-17 :
CF% = 26th
SF% = 23th
GF% = 19th
SCF% = 26th
HDCF% = 21st
CA = 22th
SA = 10th
GA = 8th
SCA = 16th
HDCA = 10th
The team has sacrificed offense to be better offensively. Still letting the other team shot a lot (SAT) but Sens now block the pucks and get themselves in shooting lanes efficiently and are good at clearing 2nd and 3rd chances.
If you look at 2014-15 & 2015-16, it shows that despite a high number of Shots Against, the team was trying to limit High Danger Chances Against. Like I said in previous post, can't find the HDCA data for the 3 previous year (waiting on Micklebot's help here )
That's quite the trick...
As for HDCA from previous years, maybe hockey abstract has it. they have consolidated stats sheets from multiple sources.
http://www.hockeyabstract.com/testimonials
IMO Phanuef will waive his NMC. He's a low key guy, and I assume he would prefer to play in Vegas, especially if his wife works at times in LA.
Phaneuf's trade from the Leafs. Apparently Phanuef had listed 10 teams he would agree to traded too.
3 California, at least 2 in NYC and Ottawa was included.
Why was Ottawa included? Phanuef though it was not possible that the budget minded Sens would ever trade for him. So Phanuef was shocked and disappointed (at least initially) that he traded to Ottawa.
Phanuef knows Vegas at his 7m will not draft him, so to make the Sens stronger you have to think he will waive his NMC for the draft.
Methot is a good 1 for sure. Got to think Vegas will give him a long look if he's left exposed in the expansion draft.
OF NOTE: Other thing to note, is how other sports have handled past expansion draft. And in this case, I'm speaking about the NBA and the Toronto Raptors/Vancouver Grizzlies. In each case, they did not take on players with term.
IMO Phanuef will waive his NMC. He's a low key guy, and I assume he would prefer to play in Vegas, especially if his wife works at times in LA.
Phaneuf's trade from the Leafs. Apparently Phanuef had listed 10 teams he would agree to traded too.
3 California, at least 2 in NYC and Ottawa was included.
Why was Ottawa included? Phanuef though it was not possible that the budget minded Sens would ever trade for him. So Phanuef was shocked and disappointed (at least initially) that he traded to Ottawa.
Phanuef knows Vegas at his 7m will not draft him, so to make the Sens stronger you have to think he will waive his NMC for the draft.
IMO Phanuef will waive his NMC. He's a low key guy, and I assume he would prefer to play in Vegas, especially if his wife works at times in LA.
Phaneuf's trade from the Leafs. Apparently Phanuef had listed 10 teams he would agree to traded too.
3 California, at least 2 in NYC and Ottawa was included.
Why was Ottawa included? Phanuef though it was not possible that the budget minded Sens would ever trade for him. So Phanuef was shocked and disappointed (at least initially) that he traded to Ottawa.
Phanuef knows Vegas at his 7m will not draft him, so to make the Sens stronger you have to think he will waive his NMC for the draft.
Sums I my opinion nicely. MacArthur will possibly also be exempt as teams can apply for special consideration for players who have missed significant time with career threatening injuries. In any case it is unlikely that LV picks a guy who has missed so much time with concussions.The simplest answer is to go 4-4 and protect Stone-Hoff-Turris-Brassard/Karl-Meth-Ceci-Phaneuf. Leaves guys like Ryan, Dzingel, Pageau, Lazar unprotected. Then the question becomes is one of those guys so much more valuable than the other that trading one of them for futures and losing 2 is better than losing only 1 for "nothing" via expansion.
Losing a winger like Ryan or Dzingel will hurt but it won't hurt as much as losing Methot right now.
Ideal situation would be Phaneuf waiving, but they can't really bank on that.
OF NOTE: Other thing to note, is how other sports have handled past expansion draft. And in this case, I'm speaking about the NBA and the Toronto Raptors/Vancouver Grizzlies. In each case, they did not take on players with term. They wanted players with one year left on their contracts, maximum two, that could be trade chips. They know full well that the 20+ players they choose in the expansion draft, will only have 5-6 around in 2 years, once the team takes shape. How does that impact the Sens... Zack Smith is a UFA and thus will be getting a multi year deal, whereas Lazar, Pageau, Dzingel are RFA who are more likely to get a 1-year or 2-year bridge deal. Thus would be my prediction that one of those 3 are claimed, keeping in mind that Methot would also have 2 years left a 4.9 per season.