The Media's Treatment of the Leafs #NoComment

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Hopefully the networks will just stop putting twitter comments on their shows.

Agreed. The point is feedback but some tweets can be offensive. This mishap is a lesson to these networks.

 

[4thline]

I can read it, it just doesn't mean what you think it means. Reports do not have to be emotionless, opinionless robots who talk like joe friday. Having an opinion doesn't = unfair and inaccurate reporting.

Did one of the Toronto say that? You're also taking a very overly simplistic view by boiling it down to "liking and no liking". For someone who talks about nuance, not a good way to go.

Paraphrasing Cathal Kennedy who wrote a column telling Kessel the media will not cast him in a good light if he doesn't toe the line to their expectations.

No, but letting an opinion of something unrelated to the topic at hand shape the way you present fact shape the way you present the story to the public does. I think Phil Kessel is lazy- fine. I don't think Phil Kessel treats me with the respect I deserve so everything I write about him will be skewed negatively- not fine.

It seems we can agree to
A. all human opinion is inherently biased by perspective
and as such
B. all media /news etc contains some degree of bias

Where we differ is that I believe it is the medias responsibility to be self-aware and minimize that bias, and not let outside opinions shape unrelated matters, as is stated by their own code and taught in schools. They have too much power to shape public opinion to be allowed to let personal grievances dictate the news.

Where as where you believe **** it if there's going to be any bias let it all in, the only standard to be held to is to not lie outright.

 

[Legion34]

And I said that, not anyone in the Toronto Media.

And I don't think/expect how they are treated to affect how they report the facts, but how the context in how they present hte facts - like saying who cares if Kessel only skated 10 times or be critical of him only skating 10 times - would be affected by how they are treated by the franchise as a whole.

And no, he is splitting hairs to try to back up his opinion.

So the number of people who say something = who's right?

When there are objective obvious standards. You are arguing against the very core principle of journalism. People whom have went to school for this or deal with it on a professional level are telling you.

It is ridiculous and concerning that you don't know that but continue to argue it. It's like arguing against innocent until proven guilty. It's the basis that,papers build themselves on.

I think you fundamentally don't know the difference between advertising and news

 

[Derivation]

Leafs players got exactly what they were planning to accomplish. Get the attention of their on ice play ignored and instead make the spotlight the 'media' and 'journalists' unfair criticisms. How are things in Raptorland lately?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Daisy Jane]

that's good, because quite frankly - it's silly. don't have tweets on your sports show.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Paraphrasing Cathal Kennedy who wrote a column telling Kessel the media will not cast him in a good light if he doesn't toe the line to their expectations.

No, but letting an opinion of something unrelated to the topic at hand shape the way you present fact shape the way you present the story to the public does. I think Phil Kessel is lazy- fine. I don't think Phil Kessel treats me with the respect I deserve so everything I write about him will be skewed negatively- not fine.

It seems we can agree to
A. all human opinion is inherently biased by perspective
and as such
B. all media /news etc contains some degree of bias

Where we differ is that I believe it is the medias responsibility to be self-aware and minimize that bias, and not let outside opinions shape unrelated matters, as is stated by their own code and taught in schools. They have too much power to shape public opinion to be allowed to let personal grievances dictate the news.

Where as where you believe **** it if there's going to be any bias let it all in, the only standard to be held to is to not lie outright.

My first thought when I read Cathal was "so who was the targeted meanie that brought about Feschuk's piece of garbage on Reimer"?

 

[Warden of the North]

Leafs players got exactly what they were planning to accomplish. Get the attention of their on ice play ignored and instead make the spotlight the 'media' and 'journalists' unfair criticisms. How are things in Raptorland lately?

I assure you, this did nothing of the sort.

 

[LeafSteel]

I say it all the time, the trouble with Twitter is its full of twits.

I hate the ticker. Always inane comments. Good riddance.

BB

 

[Kurisu]

liking the fact that the players are pushing back against the media. i'm guessing that lupul, phaneuf threatening to sue TSN is in frustration and a message to the media in general. the media is full of blowhards anyway

 

[4thline]

My first thought when I read Cathal was "so who was the targeted meanie that brought about Feschuk's piece of garbage on Reimer"?

I'm sorry but I don't follow, I don't read Feschuk

 

[Ari91]

Later on Lupul said "let me play the game I love for incredible amounts of money". I really like him, but that was a little bit arrogant to say.

Arrogant is putting it kindly. What happened was wrong and he is entitled to his anger and frustration but being the victim of anything doesn't give you a free pass to behave and say whatever you want in retaliation. When you stoop to low levels you no longer get to behave like the victim in my books. There is an intelligent way to respond to all of this and if he doesn't know how to do that then someone should tell him it would be easier and smarter if he just shut his trap.

Edit: Someone posted the actual comment by Lupul and the context isn't arrogant. He was acknowledging that it's because of the fans that he gets to play hockey for incredible amounts of money. The comment overall was some damage control, in my opinion. However, I don't think it was coming from a place of arrogance.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I'm not a lawyer, but I am pretty confident there won't be any legal action, no lawsuit, no lawyers involved. It's a bloody tweet. A retraction and an apology and this goes away. Everything else is scare tactics, to make the next person think twice about a stupid tweet. You see more libelous tweets about every 30 seconds on Twitter.

If we want to start legal action over tweets, this is nothing but great news for those going through law school right now.

Don't look now but courts ruled in Burke's favour re Twitter. Also, Patrick Sharp is considering legal action over similar things affecting his play and family life.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I'm sorry but I don't follow, I don't read Feschuk

I don't either since that garbage piece of work.

 

[colchar]

Even if the Leafs denied Simmons, Feschuk and Berger access to the players or they just refuse to speak with them, won't they write something that says it's their obligation to speak with them and only make things worse with them and the media?

Yeah but how long will their papers allow them to continue writing, whether about the Leafs or at all, if they are shut out by the team? Papers are businesses that know their readers want to read about the Leafs. If their reporters or columnists are denied access they will make changes rather than lose readership to rival papers.

 

[The Apologist]

You meant he reporter who gave his mother the chance she wanted to speak out about how the team was leaving her in the dark?

My point is if the team and Reimer had a good relationship with him from day 1 that might not have happened.

Why is anyone still responding to this obvious baiting. I better befriend everyone in the world, because until I do, they have free reign to write ******** about me.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Why is anyone still responding to this obvious baiting. I better befriend everyone in the world, because until I do, they have free reign to write ******** about me.

What's funny is it is an out and out lie. The specialist confirmed exactly what the Leaf medical staff said from day one.

I hope next time there is a technical issue with the space shuttle that Feschuk interviews Hadfield's mom for her opinion on the technical issue.

 

[The Apologist]

Arrogant is putting it kindly. What happened was wrong and he is entitled to his anger and frustration but being the victim of anything doesn't give you a free pass to behave and say whatever you want in retaliation. When you stoop to low levels you no longer get to behave like the victim in my books. There is an intelligent way to respond to all of this and if he doesn't know how to do that then someone should tell him it would be easier and smarter if he just shut his trap.

Edit: Someone posted the actual comment by Lupul and the context isn't arrogant. He was acknowledging that it's because of the fans that he gets to play hockey for incredible amounts of money. The comment overall was some damage control, in my opinion. However, I don't think it was coming from a place of arrogance.

Odd what a little context can add to a comment. And I am no Lupul fan...

 

[hockeywiz542]

I don't quite get it.

Is york51 the guy who made the tweet that ended up on TSN?

If not, why was Lupul asking about his legal representation?

When I first read that it felt like a couple of buddies BSing with each other.

What was the contest of the convo they were having?

@york51_ did not make the tweet. It was made by “AdragnaA21″.

TSN apologized on air during Tuesday’s Maple Leafs vs. Panthers game, after the network got into some hot water on Monday when a tweet making an inappropriate reference to Elisha Cuthbert and Joffrey Lupul was shown on-screen. Cuthbert is married to Lupul’s teammate — and Leafs captain — Dion Phaneuf.

It all relates to their airing of a tweet by “AdragnaA21″ during Monday’s TradeCentre show.

According to The Huffington Post, @york51_ , had previously posted some offensive language about Lupul, Phaneuf and Cuthbert in a comment on one of Lupul's posts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/04/joffrey-lupul-fight-instagram_n_6801776.html

The user, @york51_ , had previously posted some offensive language about Lupul, Phaneuf and Cuthbert in a comment on one of Lupul's posts.

 

[Longshot]

I hope next time there is a technical issue with the space shuttle that Feschuk interviews Hadfield's mom for her opinion on the technical issue.

Space shuttle is no longer in use. It was taken out of service quite awhile ago...

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Space shuttle is no longer in use. It was taken out of service quite awhile ago...

I call them all space shuttles. Officially out of service 3 years ago.

 

[Leafspoison*]

I say ban all media from the locker room and the players. If you want to talk with a player, fill out form Pl50-4.

Then, upon approval, you can talk to that player in 2 to 3 weeks. Needs player approval as well.

I think the Coach and Gm should field all media questions.

"Hey coach, can I talk to Kessel please"?

Coach "did you fill out requisition Pl50-4"?

The Media messes up the minds of the players and dumps on them non stop. That is why players don't want to come here, and players leaving heave a big sigh of relief.

The take something so small, like the Rielly comment, and run it until its in the ground and the player is attacked relentlessly.

Then you hear that bonehead comment by Bernier about mandela and that became epic media coverage.

Then all this Kessel nonsense goes viral in the media.

And whether you like Phaneuf or not, they dig at him relentlessly.

They are human. They are also young people for the most part.

Ban the media from the team. It happened in Montreal 15 years ago and now the media have been put in their place there.

A ban, forces the media to report about the game, and not the player. There are many other sports franchises that have total media bans like Manchester United and many other soccer teams. Some NFL teams have total media bans.

Lets allow our players to just play.

 

[LeafsNation75]

That is the right decision and it's a shame how one person ruined it for everyone else.

 

[Loosie]

Paraphrasing Cathal Kennedy who wrote a column telling Kessel the media will not cast him in a good light if he doesn't toe the line to their expectations.

No, but letting an opinion of something unrelated to the topic at hand shape the way you present fact shape the way you present the story to the public does. I think Phil Kessel is lazy- fine. I don't think Phil Kessel treats me with the respect I deserve so everything I write about him will be skewed negatively- not fine.

It seems we can agree to
A. all human opinion is inherently biased by perspective
and as such
B. all media /news etc contains some degree of bias

Where we differ is that I believe it is the medias responsibility to be self-aware and minimize that bias, and not let outside opinions shape unrelated matters, as is stated by their own code and taught in schools. They have too much power to shape public opinion to be allowed to let personal grievances dictate the news.

Where as where you believe **** it if there's going to be any bias let it all in, the only standard to be held to is to not lie outright.

Not all media people agree with Cathal Kelly:

 

[achtungbaby]

I say it all the time, the trouble with Twitter is its full of twits.

I hate the ticker. Always inane comments. Good riddance.

BB

I never read the tweets anyways. If such a hornets nest hadn't been brought up by lawyers I would have missed it entirely. The "Streisand Effect" made this an even bigger story.