The League-Wide Mock Draft - Discussion Part II

[Addison Rae]

is this good or bad

 

[Captain Bowie]

Lindholm's actual cap hit after bonuses last season was $1.531667. Trouba was $1.319167. Why not use last season's cap hit for any player on an ELC with bonuses? That would leave only players from this last draft to make a decision on their cap hits.

That doesn't make sense. A players cap hit is the same in every season throughout the contract. Those sound like actual salary paid out.

This is why I think Jones must be a mistake.

 

[94eleven]

Here is the explanation of Ekblad's contract from spotrac:

Aaron Ekblad signed a 3 year / $11,325,000 contract with the Florida Panthers, including a $277,500 signing bonus, and an annual average salary of $3,775,000. In 2015-16, Ekblad will earn a base salary of $832,500 and a signing bonus of $92,500. Ekblad has a cap hit of $925,000 while his dead money value is $3,775,000.

So his cap hit for the salary cap is 925k Florida can either use that and push any bonuses attained into next season as a cap overage, or they can account for it this season and they don;t have to worry about it coming off of next season's cap. Most cap teams will use the overage and pull it off next year's cap.

 

[nameless1]

That doesn't make sense. A players cap hit is the same in every season throughout the contract. Those sound like actual salary paid out.

This is why I think Jones must be a mistake.

Yeah...
If Jones is indeed a 0.925 cap hit...
That changes the whole draft.
Eichel...
McDavid...
And Ekblad's caphit would be dropped too...
And that just changes the whole complexion of the draft.

 

[Ainec]

Lindholm, Kucherov would not be selected where he was

Mark Stone

 

[Captain Bowie]

Here is the explanation of Ekblad's contract from spotrac:

Aaron Ekblad signed a 3 year / $11,325,000 contract with the Florida Panthers, including a $277,500 signing bonus, and an annual average salary of $3,775,000. In 2015-16, Ekblad will earn a base salary of $832,500 and a signing bonus of $92,500. Ekblad has a cap hit of $925,000 while his dead money value is $3,775,000.

So his cap hit for the salary cap is 925k Florida can either use that and push any bonuses attained into next season as a cap overage, or they can account for it this season and they don;t have to worry about it coming off of next season's cap. Most cap teams will use the overage and pull it off next year's cap.

Spotrac seems to be all screwed up, using different terminology than the rest. It doesn't make sense for it to be 925K. I'm going to go with the 3.225M that nhlnumbers and others have. I'm sorry I mislead you 94.

But every other high draft pick has a cap hit in the 3's, Jones should be no difference.

 

[Ainec]

You can reselect as 3 and .900 is a difference

 

[94eleven]

http://capgeek.org/nhl-salary-cap-faq-whats-a-bonus-overage/

http://capgeek.org/nhl-salary-cap-faq-how-do-performance-bonuses-count-against-the-cap/

 

[Ainec]

Kucherov, Nikita 0.894 186.0 0.894 0.700 RFA

894k cap hit

This is why Kucherov was selected so early. And why I had him so high as well. In other circumstances with bonuses he'd be a 3+ player

 

[VanillaCoke]

Spotrac has jones at 3.225.
That's the site I was using for Ekblad from another posters suggestion.

 

[BigTruzz]

Woohoo more of a bargain for Eichel.

 

[nameless1]

Spotrac has jones at 3.225.
That's the site I was using for Ekblad from another posters suggestion.

Yeah...
I checked again...
And spotrac does say that Seth Jones averages 3.225.
That should be the number to go by.

 

[Ainec]

If Eichel had a .900 cap hit at the start of the draft.. oh my same with McDavid and Ekblad

 

[94eleven]

If AoS wants to use Dead Money Values that's fine, I will put Jones in at $3.225, it just isn't how I have understood ELC cap hits to work based on everything I've read.

For example using Spotrac, here is the link to Nashville's salary cap for next season, you can clearly see that Seth Jones is 925k

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/nashville-predators/cap/

 

[NeoCanuck]

is this good or bad

I don't think a Tom Hanks gif could ever be bad, honestly.

 

[DL44]

94 is right... the base cap for all rookies is around 9XX K.. with the rest of it as bonus which can exceed the cap if a team is capped out... which we all will be here.
However.. as the initial rules were laid out, we have to account for bonuses in the ELC's assuming max cap numbers...
So none of the ELCs are actually bargains in need of limitations dispite actual value due tO bonuses being out of reach for most.. i.e. bonus for Calder finalist etc. ..

 

[NeoCanuck]

94 is right... the base cap for all rookies is around 9XX K.. with the rest of it as bonus which can exceed the cap if a team is capped out... which we all will be here.
However.. as the initial rules were laid out, we have to account for bonuses in the ELC's assuming max cap numbers...
So none of the ELCs are actually bargains in need of limitations dispite actual value due tO bonuses being out of reach for most.. i.e. bonus for Calder finalist etc. ..

Good point.
Also was running around and found this, which I think should put rest to this whole question:

 

[Ainec]

If AoS wants to use Dead Money Values that's fine, I will put Jones in at $3.225, it just isn't how I have understood ELC cap hits to work based on everything I've read.

For example using Spotrac, here is the link to Nashville's salary cap for next season, you can clearly see that Seth Jones is 925k

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/nashville-predators/cap/

I agree with what you're saying. A lot of us just used the cap hits on nhlnumbers and made our lists that way. It changes a lot of things if that were to happen

The bigger concern is being only able to draft 1 player per draft year and Art is completely against changing rules mid-way in the draft as it would not be fair to some people (I agree), doesn't make any less of a big overreaction on ELCs

 

[Ainec]

94, will you be sticking with that pick? Would mean you can't select from 2013 anymore and a different cap hit than what you had planned

 

[94eleven]

94 is right... the base cap for all rookies is around 9XX K.. with the rest of it as bonus which can exceed the cap if a team is capped out... which we all will be here.
However.. as the initial rules were laid out, we have to account for bonuses in the ELC's assuming max cap numbers...
So none of the ELCs are actually bargains in need of limitations dispite actual value due tO bonuses being out of reach for most.. i.e. bonus for Calder finalist etc. ..

Even winning the Calder Ekblad only got to 1.775. If you read the one capgeek link I put up the high end ones are for things like winning the cup, conn smythe, hart, etc.

 

[94eleven]

94, will you be sticking with that pick? Would mean you can't select from 2013 anymore and a different cap hit than what you had planned

Yes, I will be keeping Jones at either cap hit.

 

[nameless1]

At this point...
I think Sedinery should just make the final call.
If that changes 94eleven's decision...
Then he would be allowed to re-pick.

 

[Tryamkin]

Just putting it out there Vanilla DID say that he never agreed to trade for that pick with 94

 

[BigTruzz]

What if Eichel/McDavid bust? We should use base salary IMO.

Jk

 

[nameless1]

Just putting it out there Vanilla DID say that he never agreed to trade for that pick with 94

Now that is just being picky.