Speculation: The Head Coach Search - Friedman says it's Tocchet

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^Yep

 

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Yup. I don't even consider him a valid source anymore.

They'll maybe use him to get ahead of a story by a day or two. Maybe. Might be Sarah after his little pre draft rant where he suddenly discovered the team hasn't had a 1C in a decade or so among other things...

 

[rt]

Craig and Sarah both just call the official team official and ask for an official statement. They don't do anything. They don't have contacts or sources. They have no inside access at all.

 

[RemoAZ]

Do they even make decent money? They do so little it's hard to believe they get paid much.

 

[rt]

Do they even make decent money? They do so little it's hard to believe they get paid much.

I want to be careful to be critical in hopes of them improving, without being just flat out mean. I like them both. I don't mind them being the ones who cover the team. I just want them to try harder, be bolder, and do what it takes to cultivate inside information. There is sales involved here. It's not book reports, it's relationship building. I don't want to talk about their pay; only that I hope they improve so much at their jobs that they get great raises and have a bunch of success. Wish them well, want them to do better.

 

[RemoAZ]

I'm not asking to be critical. I'm generally curious. It doesn't seem like they do much more than go to the games, ask soft ball questions and report what the team releases. Hardly anybody buys the newspaper anymore. It's hard to believe some of these lower tier beat writers make much. Even the guys with regular gigs on the radio have other jobs.

 

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Sarah is an AP auto-generate bot, Craig is a blogger that calls the team for a statement.

 

[TheLegend]

We clearly have a different read of the situation but I don't think you can be one of a handful of local reporters yet almost never break the big news and when the big news comes around are either in the dark outright or only bringing the team's perspective. At least when Maloney was canned he basically knew (and refused to tell us for access reasons, which still makes him pretty useless). I also include in the whole incident his day after tweet about not having various key positions only to have them almost all filled the very next day.

It wasn't quite a Bickley level self beclowning but it wasn't good.


EDIT: Oh and for clarity's sake I think it's instructive to see the reaction to Sarah McLellan not knowing vs Craig. Sarah didn't seem to know anything either but she just kept quiet.

Craig is more visible on Twitter and often gets pestered for news. Sarah not so much. As soon as the season was over the Republic began moving her over to covering the DBacks more.

 

[cobra427]

Craig is more visible on Twitter and often gets pestered for news. Sarah not so much. As soon as the season was over the Republic began moving her over to covering the DBacks more.

Reporters don't add much value any more with social media and the internet. Teams just go direct with news. In the old days, certain reporters would get info and publish. Now days, teams just send out the news, and don't need the reporters any more.

 

[Lilhoody]

I would love to see Oates hired as an AC. I believe he works with Domi, but can't find confirmation.

 

[rt]

The last time Rick Tocchet found himself in need of an AC he picked up the phone and gave Adam Oates his first NHL coaching job. Here's an interesting article about what Oates has been up to lately:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/sports/hockey/private-coaches-adam-oates.html

Intriguing.

 

[Jakey53]

The last time Rick Tocchet found himself in need of an AC he picked up the phone and gave Adam Oates his first NHL coaching job. Here's an interesting article about what Oates has been up to lately:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/sports/hockey/private-coaches-adam-oates.html

Intriguing.

Very good article. I loved Adam Oates as a player and I think he could be a good AC.

 

[rt]

Very good article. I loved Adam Oates as a player and I think he could be a good AC.

Terrible HC though. Keep him away from D and G. At least at even strength. He had some very goofy, Dallas Eakins-level cringy ideas and behaviors. He's apparently a PP genius. Very good reputation there. I'd be good with him if he's got a very well defined role as F and PP coach and we have another guy who takes full D and PK ownership. Like maybe Dallas Eakins. Another horrendous HC that might be an effective AC if given very clear lanes to stay in and a narrower scope of focus.

 

[Jakey53]

Terrible HC though. Keep him away from D and G. At least at even strength. He had some very goofy, Dallas Eakins-level cringy ideas and behaviors. He's apparently a PP genius. Very good reputation there. I'd be good with him if he's got a very well defined role as F and PP coach and we have another guy who takes full D and PK ownership. Like maybe Dallas Eakins. Another horrendous HC that might be an effective AC if given very clear lanes to stay in and a narrower sooenof focus.

True, but as HC his record is better than Tocchet. I don't think Oates is a fit here, but who knows. It will be interesting hire. I would like to go young for an AC, someone to gain experience and take over in case Tocchet s---- the bed.

 

[Mosby]

Oates as an assistant is interesting. Agreed that he was a bad HC for the Caps and then in that bizarre co-coach set up in NJ.

Are we sure Nelson isn't being considered as an AC?

 

[rt]

No idea on Nelson. That'd be great but I don't know.

EDIT: Pretty sure he was the D coach during his AC years with the ATL Thrashers.

Maybe you let Tocchet hire "his guy" in Oates for forwards and PP and Chayka gets "his guy" in Nelson for D and PP?

 

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No Tocchet. If we fire DT, I would like to see a young up and comer, not another retread.

For me, Tocchet is the clear choice among the names mentioned here, and it's not even close.

Not sure if you noticed, but coaching in the A means diddly squat. Sure it looks good on your resume, but I would think that being an assistant in the NHL carries much more weight than coaching in the A.

Which is it?

 

[Jakey53]

Which is it?

All three. If you would read all the posts they make complete sense. I didn't want Tocchet as our next coach, but he was the best choice considering who they interviewed.

 

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Which young, up and comers were not names connected to the Coyotes? Who do you have above Tocchet?

 

[Jakey53]

Which young, up and comers were not names connected to the Coyotes? Who do you have above Tocchet?

I have no idea who is/was available. If I knew, I would tell you who I would pick.

 

[Summer Rose]

(this was SniperHF's idea, don't hurt me! )

 

[KG]

My understanding is Oates has developed a niche as a personal skills coach and is well compensated for it. Unsure why he'd want to give that up.

 

[Jakey53]

My understanding is Oates has developed a niche as a personal skills coach and is well compensated for it. Unsure why he'd want to give that up.

He would make much more as an AC, and it would also give him an opportunity to become a HC sometime in the future, that it, if that is what he wants.

 

[RABBIT]

I love you guys. Sorry i started a tsunami in the other thread. #dollabillz

 

[RemoAZ]

(this was SniperHF's idea, don't hurt me! )

Need to change the name on there to He Who Must Not Be Named.