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  1. Phil68

    Phil68 Registered User

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    Listening to Hockey analyst scratching their heads trying to figure why the Hawks are not a playoff team. Hearing them saying they have Toews, Saad, Kane and Keith, at worse that should be enough to them in the playoffs. There's a lot of quality hockey left with those players and fact that Toews and Kane are 100 greatest players, they understand why they are so Bad.

    My take is Toews although having an ok season, but he is not an elite top 1st line center. He needs to be paired with A BRAD Marchant level player along with a Pasternak. Frankly this is Toews real level in my point of view. Kane is really playing offense by himself and the defense for the Hawks need another season to level out with NHL experience.. I don't see the Hawks making the playoffs. Unless they maybe unload Toews and we all know that's not happening..
     
  2. HighNote

    HighNote Just one more Cup

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    They have 0 depth.
     
  3. Dr Jan Itor

    Dr Jan Itor Registered User

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    Their defense is old and/or bad and they traded away Panarin.
     
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  4. DudeWhereIsMakar

    DudeWhereIsMakar Bergevin sent me an offer sheet

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    I called this... sorry Hawks fans but it was bound to happen, just be happy with those three cups and call it a good run. Which in that case I believe they are. But this is the biggest example of the Salary Cap playing its role.
     
  5. Penosity

    Penosity Back in Black, Red, and White

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    It’s the defense (and goaltending lately.)
    They’ve started 7 of their last 10 games by going down 0-2.

    They’re creating plenty of scoring chances and have plenty of possession offensively.
     
  6. PensandCaps

    PensandCaps Beddy Tlueger

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    They're paying a 50 point C 10.5 million. That's why they suck.
     
  7. cliffclaven

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    Kane and toews have been the only bright spots. Besides Keith, they have no one else that can play defense. Everyone else, except manning is soft as charmin and perfect fits in this new league. They lost panarin, saad is a shell of what he was, Crawford is mediocre at best... I still think his concussion issues are not over. Hoss “retired” so did sharp, and they lost their best defenseman to Arizona.

    Kane, toews and Keith have 2, maybe 3 years left. Seabrook is done. After that, withe the exceptions of debrincat and saad/anisimov, it’s AHL caliber, and players like strome that haven’t developed yet. It’s gonna be a long rebuild.
     
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  8. Phil68

    Phil68 Registered User

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    You can still see a high level of a player in Kane. But Toews?? Either way at some point one of the two Kane or Toews will be traded within a year if they are going to rebuild or retool
     
  9. KirkAlbuquerque

    KirkAlbuquerque ZiBAEnejad

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    Jack Hughes will be a nice boost for their rebuild.
     
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    Nobody Is going to take either one of those contracts at this point.
     
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    Should of traded Panarin for prospects/picks/etc instead of Saad.
     
  12. solidprospect

    solidprospect Borveetzky

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    Most of the players mentioned are passed their prime years or already peaked.
     
  13. Filthy Dangles

    Filthy Dangles Curl and Drag

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    Toews is still a good player and the 2nd leading scorer on the team

    Brent Seabrook isn't even worth a 6th of his AAV at this point and he's got a ton of years left.
     
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    Kane - High end 1RW
    Toews - Mid-end 1st C

    Debrincat - 2 LW/RW
    Saad - Low end 2LW

    Strome - project 2C
    Anisimov - Solid 3C
    Kahun - 3LW/RW

    Kampf - Low end 3C
    Hayden - Bottom 6 winger
    Perlini - Bottom 6 winger

    Fortin - 4LW/AHLer
    Martinsen - AHLer
    Kruger - Low end 4C/AHLer
    Kunitz - Should have retired

    Keith - 2nd pairing LD
    Jokiharju - very raw project 2RD
    Forsling - potential 2LD

    Murphy - Injured, but 4/5RD at best
    Gustafsson - 5/6LD as best
    Rutta - 5/6RD at best
    Seabrook - Should be retired

    Crawford - Not the same anymore. Low end 1G

    Ward - bottom tier backup

    This team sucks.. (I'm a Hawks fan btw)
     
  15. Some Other Flame

    Some Other Flame Registered User

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    It's not really that complicated. They won cups, paid their players and in the process, lost a ton of depth because of the cap and win now trades. Their core got old and complacent. Eventually their drafting+developmental systems couldn't keep up and now neither can the team.

    Look back at some of their trades as they sought to win; Bowman for example, signs Bickell to that awful contract after that last cup win. Shortly thereafter, he's forced to trade Teuvo to get rid of it. Follows that up with trading a first plus for Ladd who did nothing for them. Losing Panarin for Saad was another huge blow, especially with Dano failing to develop.

    The Kings and Penguins are in the same boat too (the Penguins for the second time) . The Kings gave up Miller, Jones, and a couple of firsts for Sekera and Lucic and have nothing to show for it too. The Penguins paid their important depth players like Guentzel, Murray and Rust but lose Bonino, Fleury and Cole among others. It's just how it goes.

    And it's not just a loss of on ice talent; winning franchises routinely see their off ice supporting talent poached by other organizations. All of it eventually produces a systemically weaker organization on and off the ice that desperately needs to take a step back and take some time to regroup, accumulate assets and talent before they can be properly competitive again.
     
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  16. Kdotsection88

    Kdotsection88 Kaner? I hardly know her

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    .... is this thread a joke
     
  17. Phil68

    Phil68 Registered User

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    The Pens are not in the same boat. If you actually think the Pens won't make the playoffs, you're way off. 2 Crosby and Malkin are leagues above Toews and Kane and to boast they have Kessel. Crosby And Malkin even after the 09 Cup they were no nowhere near missing the playoffs. The year before the 09 cup they were in the finals. The pens two top players were and are higher end players than the Toews and Kane by a long shot
     
  18. Toews2Bickell

    Toews2Bickell It's Showtime

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    Lose for Hughes
     
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  19. thesaadfather

    thesaadfather Kneel Before Saad!

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    Toews and Kane (and sometimes Saad and Strome) are our only good players now. Everyone else is over the hill, still young and raw, or shouldn't be playing in the NHL.
     
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    Hawks had their success IMO. 3 cups shortly after their rebuild is a pretty damn good accomplishment
     
  21. clydesdale line

    clydesdale line Dach = Red Dogs

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    He's been our best player this season, especially since Colliton took over. The other vets are going through the motions it seems.
     
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    They're one of the worst defensive teams in the league and their goaltending isn't exactly crisp either these days. That gets you no playoffs and straight into the draft lottery.
     
  23. Crow

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    Nope. Try again.
     
  24. CallMeShaft

    CallMeShaft Kirby: #1 in Smash, Soon to be #1 in NHL

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    Toews has been like 14-15 season level so far this year. It's the defense and depth killing this team night in and night out.
     
  25. Jay haller

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    Lol at people praising Kane in the 3rd dude finally gave a **** for the first time since the home opener.

    He’s been in float mode for pretty much a year and half.
     

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