The Great John Hayden Debate (& other ex-Hawks): Volume 6

[ChiHawks10]

No they didn’t. Plenty of people thought Joker could easily be a viable second pairing defenseman. He had definitely shown flashes of being very good.

Eh... I've always thought that Joker would be an average middle pairing guy(maybe slightly above average), at best, if he ever reached his ceiling. And most my predictions for him were, and still are, as a good bottom pairing guy. I'd rather have the higher ceiling of Nylander.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Eh... I've always thought that Joker would be an average middle-pairing guy, at best, if he ever reached his ceiling. And most my predictions for him were, and still are, as a good bottom-pairing guy.

With ya here.
Joki is all floor and no ceiling.
Not a bad pick at #29 though. You could certainly do worse.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Revisionist history going on here. I think a lot of us were expecting Jokiharju to comfortably be a #4. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't he have a GREAT WJC tournament and then looked really good in his first 15 or so games as a Hawks? There wasn't a Boqvist or Dach level of excitement around him but he was looking like a sure thing to be at the very least a bottom-pairing guy and pretty likely to be a good #4 DD.

He was traded for Nylander who was a #9 pick and struggling with his development. Stan thought he was trading from a position of strength (D prospects) to balance out our lack of higher-end forward prospects.

Lot of the reason for why I think people were upset with the trade is at the time because it seemed like we were trading more of a sure thing for Nylander, who had much bigger question marks. And still very much has those question marks. Maybe Stan & Co realized Jokiharju's ceiling was lower than they initially thought and they wanted to trade him while his value was still high though.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Artemi Panarin back with the rangers

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Artemi Panarin back with the rangers

I hope his family is safe.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Nice to see Forsling finding home with Q in Florida

Picked up his first pt of season last night (Assist)

TOI for him in last 4 Panther games

20:53
20:54
19:40
21:56

 

[Brightwing]

This makes no sense. Why not play your youth at this point?

 

[Hattrick Kane]

This makes no sense. Why not play your youth at this point?

I usually agree with playing youth, but if the youth is struggling really bad, giving them games off isn’t the worst thing in the world.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Has joki been that bad?

 

[Fingers and Toews]

Has joki been that bad?

He has 2P (1G and 1A) in 18 games this season and he's a -7

 

[CallMeShaft]

He has 2P (1G and 1A) in 18 games this season and he's a -7

He's a Sabre, so those numbers are actually pretty impressive.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

He has 2P (1G and 1A) in 18 games this season and he's a -7

He’s not an offensive defenseman. Those stats mean nothing.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Has joki been that bad?

He’s been fine
Nothing great nothing terrible

 

[BobbyJet]

He’s been fine
Nothing great nothing terrible

I reckon that will describe his career.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

For those that want to point out the -7 to attack Joker

He isn't even in top 10 of team in -

D Rasmus Dahlin -24
LW Taylor Hall -17
C/LW Sam Reinhart -16
C Eric Staal -15
D Colin Miller -14
D Brandon Montour -12
D Rasmus Ristolainen -10
C Jack Eichel -9
LW Jeff Skinner -8

Infact only 2 regulars on Sabres are even or +

Riley Sheahan = Even in 25 games
D Jake McCabe = +2 in 13 games

Also ,,, Hall + Skinner + Eichel have a combined 5 goals

That trio has $27M cap hit = 5 goals!!!!!!!

That team is awful in every aspect on and off the ice

 

[BK]

+/- is a such a bad stat.

His 44.1% corsi with 50.9% offensive zone start percentage is not good.

 

[Pez68]

For those that want to point out the -7 to attack Joker

He isn't even in top 10 of team in -

D Rasmus Dahlin -24
LW Taylor Hall -17
C/LW Sam Reinhart -16
C Eric Staal -15
D Colin Miller -14
D Brandon Montour -12
D Rasmus Ristolainen -10
C Jack Eichel -9
LW Jeff Skinner -8

Infact only 2 regulars on Sabres are even or +

Riley Sheahan = Even in 25 games
D Jake McCabe = +2 in 13 games

Also ,,, Hall + Skinner + Eichel have a combined 5 goals

That trio has $27M cap hit = 5 goals!!!!!!!

That team is awful in every aspect on and off the ice

They need to burn the entire organization to the ground.

 

[x Tame Impala]

It is absolutely insane how bad and inept the Buffalo Sabers have been for this entire past decade, if not more.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Imagine thinking Joker was some sort of monster loss to this current Hawks team.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Imagine thinking Joker was some sort of monster loss to this current Hawks team.

He wouldn't even have a roster spot. He'd be in Rockford, or taxi squad.

 

[ChiHawks10]

He wouldn't even have a roster spot. He'd be in Rockford, or taxi squad.

Rightfully so.

He's a replaceable player, on a bad team, run by a terrible FO and organization.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Rightfully so.

He's a replaceable player, on a bad team, run by a terrible FO and organization.

There's a reason nobody in the league was willing to cough up a 1st round pick for him.

 

[Brightwing]

Rightfully so.

He's a replaceable player, on a bad team, run by a terrible FO and organization.

As I said, I do feel bad for him. Staying a Hawk would have been much better for his long-term development. That said, I still have hope Nylander will have a break out season next year.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

As I said, I do feel bad for him. Staying a Hawk would have been much better for his long-term development. That said, I still have hope Nylander will have a break out season next year.

Might still be a Hawk if he didn't complain to the media after the org sent him down to RFD after JC was hired...

 

[Brightwing]

Might still be a Hawk if he didn't complain to the media after the org sent him down to RFD after JC was hired...

Nah. I think the bigger issue was they had depth in D prospects and wanted to bolster the forward group and he was not expansion draft exempt. I don't think the Hawks are the kind of team that would trade a prospect for a couple of comments to the media.