I hope not - but the chances are pretty slim
I was one of few that were pretty vocal to trade - will see
Any thoughts?
I was one of few that were pretty vocal to trade - will see
Any thoughts?
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JvR has been a non-factor so far. But he could also be critical to a turnaround in the series. Bozak has been pretty decent on the other hand. And Komarov look like he shouldn't be in the lineup.
Either way, it won't look good if we get tossed in the first round. But that was always a risk.
Can we stop with this and step into the real world. The leafs weren't going to trade away veteran players in the midst of a franchise best season. Pull players out of that locker room and make disruptions.
That's for selling teams. The Leafs were not sellers this year. So we made the playoffs, lost our first two games, and the second guessing here is thick.
We can barely fit our talented youngsters into the starting lineup. Our farm system is one of the top in the NHL. Our core is all under 25. This is nonsense.
Fair enough but a lot of us were not confident about the playoff success - and I respect your views and would like to keep it professional
While I get that the point is that such a move could disrupt the room, I'd like to point out that players are not necessarily the best gauge of what the best move is for the franchise.What I'd love see is this suggested in the Leafs' dressing room. Tell your favourite Leaf that you think the team should have traded his teammates for draft picks instead of going to battle in the playoffs with them.
In the big picture, there's a certain downside to the rebuild getting off the ground so quickly after the Matthews draft.
The most obvious is the Leafs have taken themselves out the running for drafting a couple more times in the top 1-10 in 2017 and 2018. On paper, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Dermott, Dahlin, Liljegren for example would nice if we had gone the Buffalo/Arizona way of building.
The second is we aren't clearing out JVR, Bozak, Komarov and (maybe Gardiner next year) for extra assets, which probably is depriving the system of at least half a dozen pretty good prospects.
The third is we've been taking out small loans out against the future in really short term deals with Boyle and the horrible Plekanec deal, which robs us of a couple of seconds and some depth guys.
So the fact that the Leafs have gotten good quickly is generally fantastic, the downside is it has cost us a top 10 pick this year, and maybe up to an entire draft class worth of prospects and assets, which could have filled more center depth, an extra goalie and a few defensemen with upside.
In the big picture, there's a certain downside to the rebuild getting off the ground so quickly after the Matthews draft.
The most obvious is the Leafs have taken themselves out the running for drafting a couple more times in the top 1-10 in 2017 and 2018. On paper, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Dermott, Dahlin, Liljegren for example would nice if we had gone the Buffalo/Arizona way of building.
The second is we aren't clearing out JVR, Bozak, Komarov and (maybe Gardiner next year) for extra assets, which probably is depriving the system of at least half a dozen pretty good prospects.
The third is we've been taking out small loans out against the future in really short term deals with Boyle and the horrible Plekanec deal, which robs us of a couple of seconds and some depth guys.
So the fact that the Leafs have gotten good quickly is generally fantastic, the downside is it has cost us a top 10 pick this year, and maybe up to an entire draft class worth of prospects and assets, which could have filled more center depth, an extra goalie and a few defensemen with upside.
Can we stop with this and step into the real world. The leafs weren't going to trade away veteran players in the midst of a franchise best season. Pull players out of that locker room and make disruptions.
That's for selling teams. The Leafs were not sellers this year. So we made the playoffs, lost our first two games, and the second guessing here is thick.
We can barely fit our talented youngsters into the starting lineup. Our farm system is one of the top in the NHL. Our core is all under 25. This is nonsense.
With this in mind should the Leafs re-evaluate their trading strategy? The Leafs could fetch a decent amount on the trade market for James Van Riemsdyk and Tyler Bozak, maybe even Leo Komarov too. The Leafs could enjoy their contributions to further solidify their playoff hold right up until the trade deadline before moving on instead of losing them for nothing at the end of the season. The team benefits by continuing to acquire assets for the future and still puts itself in a strong position to see the post-season for a 2nd year in a row.
And look what happened. 2 games into the playoffs this team has been battered down 12-4. Congrats to you and the Leafs brass for being short sighted. I hope the potential quick sugar rush of playoff hockey was worth the second, and the potential JVR return.
Boston has exposed our D. Zaitsev and Hainsey look terrible, Rielly looks like a rookie. Would have been nice to use those pieces from a JVR trade, add it to our second, and try to get some real top 4 help.
People came yell about breaking records all they want. It's a nice cover so you don't have to admit how wrong you are. If we get bounced in the first round not trading those pieces is going to look like terrible asset management. A market like the Leafs just can't endure patience. Even guys like Babcock are speaking out of their rear when they say "pain is coming". Although maybe Babcock was right. Keeping our expiring contracts and getting destroyed by Boston is very painful to watch.
Ofcourse if we somehow win the series well...... That's a whole nother story.
I'm not sure your comments are based in reality. Maybe this would happen in NHL 18 or something.
Let's tell Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and our young core who are supposed to lead us to the Cup one day that it's okay to have a loser mentality by trading away core pieces in a year we're looking to improve on last season with a deeper playoff run, or even a slim chance of winning it all...for more draft picks. Players get their bodies beat up and pounded in every game for 82 games for a chance to make the playoffs and to win it all. Wake up...it's not Draft Picks Tycoon we're playing here! Where the heck is all your pride?
I bet St. Louis could have used Stastny down the stretch run...and after he was traded, a player like Schenn was shocked and spoke up about his disappointment, and those who kept quiet were probably very disappointed...I wonder how their captain Pietrangelo felt about his GM giving up the season on the entire team over some draft picks...I'm sure they are so proud of their organization.
People should read Theo Fleury book. Calgary did this in the 80s. He wrote a whole section on it. 30 years later he is STILL mad about it.... good idea guys
Let's tell Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and our young core who are supposed to lead us to the Cup one day that it's okay to have a loser mentality by trading away core pieces in a year we're looking to improve on last season with a deeper playoff run, or even a slim chance of winning it all...for more draft picks. Players get their bodies beat up and pounded in every game for 82 games for a chance to make the playoffs and to win it all. Wake up...it's not Draft Picks Tycoon we're playing here! Where the heck is all your pride?
I bet St. Louis could have used Stastny down the stretch run...and after he was traded, a player like Schenn was shocked and spoke up about his disappointment, and those who kept quiet were probably very disappointed...I wonder how their captain Pietrangelo felt about his GM giving up the season on the entire team over some draft picks...I'm sure they are so proud of their organization.
The Calgary Flames never did anything remotely close to what is being talked about during his tenure with the Flames in the 80s.