The David Conte & Lou Draft complaint thread

Devils731

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Pepe Sr., Devils made a mistake not picking my son 30th., in today's Starledger.

The unasked and unsaid edition to that quote would be that every team that passed on him made a mistake. It's a father talking up his son so of course he thinks the son should have been drafted higher.
 

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Waking up and thinking more about what happened, I'm taking a stab here in thinking that Conte and company focused primarily on guys ranked 20-40 to determine our pick at #30. Barbeshev was consistantly ranked in the mid-upper teams and my guess is that Conte and company perhaps didn't put in enough time to feel more comfortable with picking him over a guy that that we probably spent much more time in assessing.

I think that Lemieux was their back up plan although the fact they passed on him and then also passed a few times (#41 and #71) on Anton Karlsson seemed to indicate these two may have been too similiar to Matteau. I think they went with Chatham because they were looking for a big strong RW. While Karlsson started the year strong, he declined all year whereas Chatham trended up with a strong second half and seems poised to continue that trend next season.

It's pretty clear that identified Jacobs with potential last year and watched his development this year. The fact they had the nice nameplate for him may be one indicator. Here is a telling indicator. Comments were that they liked him better than any of the forwards available at #41., however, between the Quenville pick at #30 and #41, the only other forwards drafted were Lemieux, Barbeshev (which they passed on both already) and Harwyluk who played with Quennville in Brandon. The rest were goalies and D-men. I think they saw a run on Dmen and got a bit nervous so they took a guy they really liked. I don't think they were into Kamanev and Cornel was similar to Quennville. Pollack, Kubel, and Karabacek could arguably be the same talent wise as Jacobs so the only standout at #41 was really Ryan MacInnis. I liked MacInnis but he too could be compared as comparable to Quennville so it's easy to support their claim they felt he was the BPA at #41.

I think it was possible that if Goldobin has fallen and been available at #41 like some services had him, they would have jumped on him in that spot but otherwise, there probably wasn't any more "high-potential" guys that stood out to them.

While I was not thrilled initially, in hindsight and with time to digest it all, it wasn't as terrible as it looked at first. Sure Barbeshev fell and maybe if we had picked him, we would have went with a Cornel or MacInnis in the 2nd, or perhaps Quennville would have even still been there at #41. That may have better fitted our needs but it's easy to say that after already knowing who everyone else picked.

I'll bump this grade up to a B- as their first three picks all have decent potential to see some NHL time at some point and if you ask any team, getting three potential NHLers out of a draft is a huge success. Now, if they still had pick #11, they could have better addressed the talent by picking a Fiala or Milano but getting a high caliber guy like that at #30 is pretty much an unreasonable expectation.
 

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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. No, Parise was never a "poor skater." I can't believe I'm actually responding to this foolishness.

I didn't want to get into that one at all. :)


I saw Parise with UND vs Princeton he was amazing. I think it was the December before his draft year...I went to see Hale...Parise had 5 or 6 assist that night. He set up every single goal that was scored that night. No one could even come close to him he looked like he was hovering above the ice, smooth as silk.

I remember leaning over to the person I was with and asking "what do you think the chances the Devils could draft that kid"

The person said, "No chance. That kid is going top 5, certainly top 10"
 

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Pepe Sr., Devils made a mistake not picking my son 30th., in today's Starledger.

Jilted lover? Any proud parent wold have said the same thing...he was pissed as he indicated that his kid was crushed that he didn't get picked in the first round.
 

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I didn't want to get into that one at all. :)


I saw Parise with UND vs Princeton
he was amazing. I think it was the December before his draft year...I went to see Hale...Parise had 5 or 6 assist that night. He set up every single goal that was scored that night. No one could even come close to him he looked like he was hovering above the ice, smooth as silk.

I remember leaning over to the person I was with and asking "what do you think the chances the Devils could draft that kid"

The person said, "No chance. That kid is going top 5, certainly top 10"

Tangent:

Was this at Princeton? I've never been, really only came into thinking of going to a game there late this past season. Good venue/environment?
 

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I'm not impressed with the draft, but I think people are overreacting.

This was a weak draft, so it's not like there was really any amazing options. Also, I think a lot of people get caught up in the players who score at amazing clips in juniors or have an amazing skillset. But I think you have to realize that in rounds 3-7, especially in a weak draft, I think there is a pretty solid reason those 'skill guys' dropped. If their offensive skill was definitely going to translate to the NHL level, you would think that all scouts would know this and they would be first or second round picks. So as much as I complain about the enforcers and tough guys Conte goes for, in a way, they are the safe pick. If they fill out the other parts of their game, we could have a big, physical, and punishing winger in a few years. If not, maybe an enforcer who can skate.

Also, I think the days of wanting the Devils to shore up their forward position are over. The forward problem we have on the NHL level needs to be addressed in the next two to three years, when all these old guys leave and Elias as well. Unless we get a top 10 pick, none of these guys are contributing until after that time (unless we magically get an O'Reilly sometime soon). Fixing our forward problem will lie in UFAs from overseas (like Sekac) or flipping defenders for prospects.

So I think some people need to take a step back and look at the picks with some perspective.
 

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Jilted lover? Any proud parent wold have said the same thing...he was pissed as he indicated that his kid was crushed that he didn't get picked in the first round.

But I also think there was a level of the Lemieux's wanting the Dev's specifically to pick him. Which imo, should carry a little weight. Not a lot, but a little.
 

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I feel bad for guys who go early-2nd round. they miss out on going to legit contenders and go to the basement
 

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I honestly think some teams didn't want to deal with an immature Brendan and his Dad.
 

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To quote the great Ray Stantz (played by Dan Aykroyd): He (Conte) is either a certified genius or an authentic wacko.
 

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Tangent:

Was this at Princeton? I've never been, really only came into thinking of going to a game there late this past season. Good venue/environment?

Yes at Princeton. Hobby Baker Arena is a cozy little barn...to me it embodies all that a college arena is. It's very small and somewhat spartan but there is an ora of history that is very cool.
 

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I feel bad for guys who go early-2nd round. they miss out on going to legit contenders and go to the basement

To be honest though, most of the time these guys become trade fodder when they are picked the end of the 1st, and going into an organization that's in the midst of a contention run is more interesting on paper than in reality. By the time most of these guys come up through the system in 3-4 years, that team may not be a contender anymore. It's really debatable if not moot.

I mean Tanner Pearson is largely the exception to the norm.
 

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To be honest though, most of the time these guys become trade fodder when they are picked the end of the 1st, and going into an organization that's in the midst of a contention run is more interesting on paper than in reality. By the time most of these guys come up through the system in 3-4 years, that team may not be a contender anymore. It's really debatable if not moot.

I mean Tanner Pearson is largely the exception to the norm.

He's a good player, the Kings have been shrewd in the their drafts lately.
 

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Pepe Sr., Devils made a mistake not picking my son 30th., in today's Starledger.

Some of us AGREE with you, Pepe.

I honestly think some teams didn't want to deal with an immature Brendan and his Dad.

The difference is that had the Devils selected Brendan, his old man won't be talking to the Media about wanting his son to go play in friggin' Minnesota. :rant:
 

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The difference is that had the Devils selected Brendan, his old man won't be talking to the Media about wanting his son to go play in friggin' Minnesota. :rant:

I'd want my son to go to Minnesota too if he was tearing it up on team that just needed a 2nd line center and another quality defender and instead they trade a quality defender for a player that plays the same position as my son and they give that new player the keys to the castle...

I'd want my son the hell out of there as quickly as possible . I'm sure his buddy thought the same thing about Nashville and Weber.
 

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I'd want my son to go to Minnesota too if he was tearing it up on team that just needed a 2nd line center and another quality defender and instead they trade a quality defender for a player that plays the same position as my son and they give that new player the keys to the castle...

I'd want my son the hell out of there as quickly as possible . I'm sure his buddy thought the same thing about Nashville and Weber.

Why would Suter think that about Weber? Weber was drafted by Nashville too wasn't he?
 

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I'd want my son to go to Minnesota too if he was tearing it up on team that just needed a 2nd line center and another quality defender and instead they trade a quality defender for a player that plays the same position as my son and they give that new player the keys to the castle...

I'd want my son the hell out of there as quickly as possible . I'm sure his buddy thought the same thing about Nashville and Weber.

What are you talking about? :huh:

I was merely providing a scenario in that Pepe himself wouldn't start pulling a "Parise Senior" had the Devils drafted his son.
 
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I didn't want to get into that one at all. :)


I saw Parise with UND vs Princeton he was amazing. I think it was the December before his draft year...I went to see Hale...Parise had 5 or 6 assist that night. He set up every single goal that was scored that night. No one could even come close to him he looked like he was hovering above the ice, smooth as silk.

I remember leaning over to the person I was with and asking "what do you think the chances the Devils could draft that kid"

The person said, "No chance. That kid is going top 5, certainly top 10"

It certainly looked that way after his massive freshman season in which he was ROBBED of a Hobey by Junior friggin Lessard. Like the 2003 conn smythe, I'll never get over the Hobey that year. Robbed.

At any rate, the entire Minneapolis area nearly burned to the ground when Parise chose the Sioux over the Gophs. He had everybody around him pushing him toward the home town team - and he selects the bitter rival 5 hours away. If you dig enough you can find some things that happened that led to this decision. Dean Blais was one of the big reasons he went to UND. But there also stories out there floating around about what Herb Brooks may or may not have said to Parise and his dad (brooks and JP Parise have the north stars connection from back in the day). Brooks once said to them before Parise made his decision: if you want to go into business, go to Harvard. If you want to be a hockey player, go to North Dakota. There's also some things about there about meals paid for by Gophers boosters that may or may not have happened which would've been a violation. Ironic that we took their stud and our home grown guy Ryan Potulny wound up choosing the Gophers over the Sioux. But I'm fairly certain that the Sioux didn't recruit his older brother Grant a few years before and he wound up a gopher as well - which is why Ryan went to UofM. I played a lot of hockey growing up with Ryan and that was a hell of a player. He never was able to stick in the nhl much, but he did have a solid season with the Oilers a few years ago.

Parise and I lived in the same dorm freshman year at UND. He has always been a very humble and genuine nice guy. Always smiling and taking time out of his day to talk to people. He stepped onto campus in the fall of '02 as a complete rockstar. There was a lot of buzz around getting him to come to UND over UM - hockey in grand forks is basically like college football in Texas. That's about all I can compare it to. They changed the system for how they distributed student season hockey tickets that year...it was first come first serve and they set the time for a Wednesday at noon I believe it was. A friend calls me the Friday before and says there's already a line forming....6 days before you could even buy the tickets :laugh: so we grabbed our **** and rushed over to the Ralph. Ended up about 20th in line or so. We all took turns rotating going to classes and sleeping. Haha predictably, it turned into a drunken disaster which is probably why they haven't done it since. People staying up all night and drinking. The parking lot of the Ralph was littered with beer bottles. Matt Greene drove by with some players in his 1980s dodge caravan one night and a gopher fan threw a beer bottle at his van. Greene ended up getting out and threatening to snap the dude in half :laugh: At any rate, when they opened the doors you got to pay $75 for an entire season ticket and got to run in and pick your seat in the lower level. I wound up getting to be 3 seats from the visitors penalty box in the 6th row. That was unreal.

I remember the first time Parise stepped on the ice as a freshman. You could see where all the hype came from. He was nothing short of dominant. His work ethic and motor was there from day 1. His "that's my puck and you're not going to take it from me" attitude was always there. And he wasn't a massive partier like so many other star forwards who have come through there (cough Toews, Oshie , frattin, cough). He got a minor on premises ticket at the el roco - a club near campus, but other than that he was pretty clean. I saw him a lot around campus and then you saw him and his wife together a lot. She's from Hoople, ND and one of my best friends was dating his wife's good friend so I got to know her a bit. Pretty impressive they've managed to stay together through his rise to fame. You knew he was going to be a player, just not THAT good. But He absolutely owned the ice. His main winger was Brandon bochenski (who's now in the KHL) who was a mediocre skater at best but had an all-world release. Parise's ridiculous play helped Bo score 35 in 43 games as a sophomore. Hell, he spent some time with Quinn Fylling and turned that dude into a near PPG player....dude was playing club hockey with us 2 years later and wasn't very good. :laugh: That's how good Parise was :laugh: He was one of those players that the whole crowd basically held their breath when he had the puck in the offensive zone because you must didn't know what was going to happen. I wish phones were more advanced back then because I don't have many pictures of Parise in a Sioux jersey laying around. I suppose having the memories is just as good. His skating, work ethic and hockey iq have never changed since his freshman year at UND. We used to sit outside the rock and just talk Sioux hockey for a bit when I'd stay after - he loved it and is the player he is today partly due to Blais. I was absolutely gutted the day he left NJ because he's everything I want in a hockey player and you'll never see someone quite like him again. You just can't replace a player like that. Ever. And someone like that may never come around again. I still get **** from my friends back in MPLS and I ****ing hate it.

Sorry for the long post haha
 
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Jonathan Toews was a massive partier? It's not that I don't believe you but it's hard to imagine :laugh:

I wanted Barbashev too, but in the end the Devils have tons of resources devoted to scouting and I have scouting reports and youtube videos. Can't really complain. It sounds to me like Conte went with a safer pick and to be honest you can't go wrong with that either. The Devils can ill-afford to miss on another first rounder. Plus it sounds like he would fit DeBoer's system well. Good on both ends of the rink, fairly physical and good on the cycle.
 

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2 people can't make 100 million on most teams...certainly not in Nashville

Nashville owners gave the okay to spend to the cap. I think the issue was Suter wasn't 100% confident Nashville could get through the west without a better forward group.
 

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