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  1. NA Scouting

    NA Scouting Registered User

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    This will be updated after each pick.

    Anaheim Mighty Ducks
    01. Jean-Sebastien Giguere (G)
    02. Ryan Getzlaf (C)
    03. Joffrey Lupul (W)
    Atlanta Thrashers
    01. Kari Lehtonen (G)
    02. Ilya Kovalchuk (W)
    03. Dany Heatley (W)
    Boston Bruins
    01. Joe Thornton (C)
    02. Patrice Bergeron (C)
    03. Andrew Raycroft (G)
    Buffalo Sabres
    01. Thomas Vanek (W)
    02. Dmitri Kalinin (D)
    03. Ryan Miller (G)
    04. Scott Gomez (C)
    Calgary Flames
    01. Jarome Iginla (W)
    02. Dion Phaneuf (D)
    03. Miikka Kiprusoff (G)
    Carolina Hurricanes
    01. Eric Staal (C)
    02. Justin Williams (W)
    03. Cam Ward (G)
    Chicago Black Hawks
    01. Tuomo Ruutu (W)
    02. Anton Babchuk (D)
    03. Mark Bell (W)
    Columbus Blue Jackets
    01. Rick Nash (W)
    02. Nikolai Zherdev (W)
    03. Marc Denis (G)
    Colorado Avalanches
    01. Joe Sakic (C)
    02. Milan Hejduk (W)
    03. Alex Tanguay (W)
    04. David Aebischer (G)
    Dallas Stars
    01. Marty Turco (G)
    02. Brendan Morrow (W)
    03. Mike Modano (C)
    Detroit Red Wings
    01. Pavel Datsyuk (C)
    02. Henrik Zetterberg (W)
    03. Niklas Lidstrom (D)
    04. Martin Havlat (W)
    Edmonton Oilers
    01. Ryan Smyth (W)
    02. Eric Brewer (D)
    03. Ales Hemsky (W)
    04. Zigmund Palffy (W)
    Florida Panthers
    01. Roberto Luongo (G)
    02. Jay Bouwmeester (D)
    03. Nathan Horton (C)
    Los Angeles Kings
    01. Alexander Frolov (W)
    02. Mathieu Garon (G)
    03. Dustin Brown (W)
    Minnesota Wild
    01. Marian Gaborik (W)
    02. Mikko Koivu (C)
    03. Pierre-Marc Bouchard (C)
    Montreal Canadiens
    01. Jose Theodore (G)
    02. Saku Koivu (C)
    03. Andrei Markov (D)
    Nashville Predators
    01. Dan Hamhuis (D)
    02. Ryan Suter (D)
    03. Scott Hartnell (W)
    04. Robert Esche (G)
    New Jersey Devils
    01. Martin Brodeur (G)
    02. Patrik Elias (W)
    03. Scott Niedermayer (D)
    New York Islanders
    01. Rick DiPietro (G)
    02. Trent Hunter (W)
    03. Adrian Aucoin (D)
    04. Petr Forsberg (C)
    New York Rangers
    01. Fedor Tyutin (D)
    02. Jaromir Jagr (W)
    03. Jozef Balej (W)
    Ottawa Senators
    01. Marian Hossa (W)
    02. Jason Spezza (C)
    03. Zdeno Chara (D)
    04. Nikolai Khabibulin (G)
    Philadelphia Flyers
    01. Joni Pitkanen (D)
    02. Simon Gagne (LW)
    03. Keith Primeau (C)
    04. Daniel Alfredsson (W)
    Phoenix Coyotes
    01. Shane Doan (W)
    02. Ladislav Nagy (W)
    03. Derek Morris (D)
    Pittsburgh Penguins
    01. Marc-Andre Fleury (G)
    02. Brooks Orpik (D)
    03. Ryan Malone (W)
    Saint-Louis Blues
    01. Chris Pronger (D)
    02. Barret Jackman (D)
    03. Keith Tkachuk (W)
    San Jose Sharks
    01. Patrick Marleau (C)
    02. Evgeny Nabokov (G)
    03. Brad Stuart (D)
    04. Jeff O'Neill (W)
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    01. Vincent Lecavalier (C)
    02. Brad Richards (C)
    03. Martin Saint-Louis (W)
    04. Tomas Vokoun (G)
    Toronto Maple Leafs
    01. Mats Sundin (C)
    02. Carlo Colaiacovo (D)
    03. Matt Stajan (C)
    04. Wade Redden (D)
    Vancouver Canucks
    01. Todd Bertuzzi (W)
    02. Mattias Ohlund (D)
    03. Markus Naslund (W)
    04. Sergei Fedorov (C)
    Washington Capitals
    01. Alexander Semin (W)
    02. Maxime Ouellet (G)
    03. Steve Eminger (D)
     
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  2. NA Scouting

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    1st Round
    01. Ottawa - Nikolai Khabibulin (G)
    02. Detroit - Martin Havlat (W)
    03. Tampa Bay - Tomas Vokoun (G)
    04. Toronto - Wade Redden (D)
    05. Islanders - Petr Forsberg (C)
    06. Colorado - David Aebischer (G)
    07. Vancouver - Sergei Fedorov (C)
    08. Philadelphia - Daniel Alfredsson (W)
    09. Edmonton - Zigmund Palffy (W)
    10. Buffalo - Scott Gomez (C)
    11. San Jose - Jeff O'Neill (W)
    12. Nashville - Robert Esche (G)
    13. Atlanta
    14. New Jersey
    15. Boston
    16. Montreal
    17. Rangers
    18. Los Angeles
    19. Calgary
    20. Dallas
    21. Saint-Louis
    22. Pittsburgh
    23. Florida
    24. Minnesota
    25. Phoenix
    26. Chicago
    27. Washington
    28. Anaheim
    29. Columbus
    30. Carolina
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    2nd Round
    31. Carolina
    32. Columbus
    33. Anaheim
    34. Washington
    35. Chicago
    36. Phoenix
    37. Minnesota
    38. Florida
    39. Pittsburgh
    40. Saint-Louis
    41. Dallas
    42. Calgary
    43. Los Angeles
    44. Rangers
    45. Montreal
    46. Boston
    47. New Jersey
    48. Atlanta
    49. Nashville
    50. San Jose
    51. Buffalo
    52. Edmonton
    53. Philadelphia
    54. Vancouver
    55. Colorado
    56. Islanders
    57. Toronto
    58. Tampa Bay
    59. Detroit
    60. Ottawa
    ===
     
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  3. NA Scouting

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    Very interesting beginning of draft. What do you guys think about those 3 picks? Who do you think the Leafs will select? Do you have any questions, comments, feedback or complaints?
     
  4. I think Detroits pick was a stupid one. When I voted Demitra (who didnt win) I wasn;t think that there would only be like 3-5 good goalies in this draft and thats why I think picking Havlat was a bad choice.
     
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    It looks like the Leafs have settled on Redden.
     
  6. NA Scouting

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    There wasn't a lot of voters on the Wings' board wich I find kind of sad. The pick will give you some points, Havlat as yet to hit his prime and is still young and producing, while I'm sure you'll be able to pick up a goalie in the 2nd round.
     
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    Wade Redden is Toronto's pick at #4.

    The thread is now on the Islanders' board for the #5 pick.
     
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    Who is Bard Richards? ;)
     
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    Pinto Burn Them All

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    Brad's second cousin........

    What? you've never heard of him???
     
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    interesting , and good, idea for a mock draft, should be fun to watch unfold
     
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    Should salary be a consideration? It may be interesting to suddenly impose a salary cap on everyone after teams have been selected, and give each team a month to come in under the cap.
     
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    I'll think about it. Might be a good idea.
     
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    Might get too difficult, if you impose a salary cap into this too...
     
  14. NFITO

    NFITO hockeyinsanity*****

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    some thoughts:

    1) I think this is a really good idea... like the concept.

    2) I wouldn't impose a salary cap now... teams have already made picks, and a salary cap changes things a lot. It would be unfair to teams that have already picked... plus we have UFAs that are in the draft that don't have salaries available too.

    3) I would also suggest, if at all possible, that when we get to the competitive stage, try and do a FHL sim.... fantasy point leagues would dimish the value of a lot of players that are valuable to teams... really what's the value of a guy like Regher or Foote, or any other top defensive dman? wouldn't it be better to pick a low quality offensive player that can get you points, then a high end defensive center that can actually help your team win?

    FHL sims account for all this, since they have a ratings system... or even a EHM sim. but a league based on points wouldn't. Another big problem (right now) with this is no NHL season, and possibly no season for another year!!! All this work disappears then, since waiting for a year to see what we can do with our picks now is going to kill interest. Already there are teams that aren't voting much (or talking about this much on their boards), by the time the real show begins, fewer still would have interest. With a sim league we can get this puppy off the ground right away and actually have some fun with the teams we pick.

    But this is a decision that needs to be made *soon*, since how we pick depends on it. A fantasy league based on points, and it's all about offense... pick a goalie that backs a good team even if he's not as good (like Cloutier) since he'll get the wins... pick Sopel before you'd pick Foote, cause he'll get the points... and guys like Peca, Madden, Morrow... they got nothing on a high scoring (thanks to his linemates) forward like Cory Stillman!

    Even if you try and account for defensive stats, you're still reliant on performance in the NHL... going back to Sopel - the guy has a solid +/- because he's playing with a top defender and on a high scoring team... his value would be much higher in such a league than it would be in a sim league where ratings (what the player is actually like from defense to offense and everything else) matter!

    A sim league and picking a team is much more like you'd pick a real team in the NHL - where things like defense, intensity, experience and everything else matters!
     
  15. NA Scouting

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    Hey nucksfan in TO, you're making some valid points in here. Do you think you could run the sim? I sure don't have enough time, do you? Or anybody else out there could transform this draft into a simleague with either EHM or FHL sim? I'd like some feedback on this idea aswell..
     
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    NFITO hockeyinsanity*****

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    I'd love to, but I never have run a SIM... I've been involved in a lot of sim leagues though over the years.

    I would suggest posting this on the Fantasy Board, and asking people if some would volunteer to run a new SIM league... I would be able to help commish it if necessary, by helping with rules, setup, and day to day operations... but would need someone to host it. I know there are probably several people on these boards that have experience setting up and running a SIM league, so if you post it on the Fantasy board it shouldn't be hard to find someone? We do have time too, as the fantasy draft likely won't be done for a few months! seeing as how we have a 30 round draft.... so this gives us plenty of time to find someone to run it, as well as come up with rules.

    Also running the SIM league for HFBoards here should be a pretty good job for someone here who's interested... we've got arguably the most knowledgable posters out of any board out there, and maybe the biggest set of league-wide die-hard fans around... a HF SIM league would be great fun IMO!

    for my part I will ask around (I know one guy that has everything you need to start up, and has a lot of SIM experience)... there are some others I know who have run SIM leagues before... but I would suggest in the meantime, to post on the fantasy board asking for a commish who's available to run a SIM league and has the software to do it - with the understanding that these are the teams we're running. The commish can then also take over the team of his/her choice (for the work they're doing to run the league - the guy I know has been commish in a league for a while, but just enjoyed running it without a team, which made the league great!), and then have a GM and AGMs from each of the other teams here available.
     
  17. NA Scouting

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    I'll ask around.

    It would be nice if we could get people voting from each boards for who will be their GM and AGMs.

    I'd like to keep the league simple though. I don't want a long book of rules because I know people won't be reading it. I'd also like to keep the league FOR HF Boards wich means that I want fans from every team cherring for their team and discussing about it on their board. That would be fantastic to create rivaltry between teams' boards.

    So I say let's find an experienced commish to sim the games, someone who understand the concept of the league we're setting up, and let's try to bring up the interest of the league here on HF.
     
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    NFITO hockeyinsanity*****

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    totally agree... I think this could turn into a solid SIM.

    key is finding a commish... someone who would be willing to host a SIM league. We could even request a new discussion board from HF Boards here to set up for just this SIM League - I know they already have a fantasy league here, but a SIM sounds so much better!!!

    I would hold up on the GM voting till after the draft. We've got 30 rounds to go, and no doubt will lose interest as we move along... so best to wait to see who's really in it for the long haul... in the meantime, we've got several posters that are all contributing, and everyone feels like they've got a say now... if we have 1 GM on each team, then people may lose interest faster.
     
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    NFITO hockeyinsanity*****

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    I've posted on the Fantasy Talk board about this... to see if we can find a commish... also emailed a couple people I know about it.

    we have lots of time though.... 30 round draft will take time... I'm sure we'll find a good commish by the time it's all done.
     
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    As in the other thread, I could sim it in EHM If wanted.
     
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    I know you dont want a bunch of rules, but heres a suggestion for what happens if a prospect is signed. Lets say that somewhere in the middle of round 14, Alexander Ovechkin is suddenly signed. Let the team's board which signed him have the option of protecting him by exchanging him for one of their previously protected players. If Washington wants to protect AO, they have to release another player to be exposed to the draft.
     
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    We're having talk about putting this into an EHM sim, so we can sim seasons...

    Me and my new assistants, Nuckfan, are looking for someone who could host a site to put the updates of the league on (Results, unjuries, standings etc etc...) .. We already have a guy to sim the games with EHM, but I guess it would be better to have one guy who can do both.

    I've also PMed Buffaloed regarding a new board here on HF.. A board just for the Board-To-Board league!

    We're also looking to make a mini-CBA, so any suggestion of rules to make the league as realistic as possible would be nice! :)
     
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    If you are simming, I would like to be the Flyers.
     
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    talked to habsgirl, who said she'd help us out with this, running a FHL SIM, and creating a webpage for us...

    we've got until the end of this 25 round draft to get this thing started (so lots of time), and hoping to get a realistic set of rules with it.

    I've messaged JB on this, so waiting for his reply, but I would suggest that we use a high salary cap in the first season on this, as teams have already made picks, and protected players without considering salary implications... so I'd suggest not to worry about salary caps in the first year (or make it high) and then work it into the rules over time so that teams that drafted players already without worrying about salary, don't get screwed because of it... but we're still in the early stages in rules, so we'll let everyone know what it is - and hopefully not screw people over from the picks that have been made already.

    as far as team GMs... I think JB already suggested that we do a vote on each team's board as to who that board would most like to be the team's GM... this way we involve all the fans that are interested... the others can be AGMs, scouts, and whatever else (which we'll figure out as the rules come into play)....

    the goal, talking to JB on this, is to have a SIM league that caters to the HF community of diehard fans here... teams will have bragging rights with success, and several posters from each team can be involved with the team that they love most... so we won't have canuck fans running the flames or anything :)

    anyways... I'm waiting to talk to JB on this, and hopefully he's okay with Habsgirl being our SIM master (err.. mistress :) ) ... as we come up with rules and such, we'll post here to get everyone's input into it... so far we've got myself, JB and Habsgirl as the "board" to set things up, but I'm sure JB would agree we could use all the help that's out there to come up with one kick-a$$ league!
     
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    A concern did pop in to my head when thinking about this all...

    How are you going to deal with players who may never play again? Lemieux, Forsberg, Yzerman, Allison, Deadmarsh.....all may have played their last days in the NHL. Some, if not many teams will be reluctant to pick up these players (yes, I know Forsberg was already drafted) since their values would be dimished greatly in a real draft of this sort.

    The concern arises from how they would be applied to an FHL/EHM simmed season. Even if you set Lemieux and Lindros' injury resistance to the lowest, they're still bound to score a high amount of points; a point total that most likely neither would ever hit again in their careers. For instance, if Pittsburgh knew they'd get a solid 80 points out of Lemieux this first season (even if the sim retires him the next year) they might have kept him; or conversely, one of the top drafting teams might've nabbed him already.

    Hopefully that makes sense.
     
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