Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
I'm expecting Schenn to be the goat too. Not that I necessarily agree with it; I gave Carle a chance for a long time, so I'm going to try to give Schenn a chance. He is starting at a disadvantage though.
Is this is what the offseason is for? Projecting the next goat?
Whatever floats your boat.
Is this is what the offseason is for? Projecting the next goat?
Whatever floats your boat.
Schenn was a goat in Toronto, fairly or not. There's a reason a team that sucks trades a very young defenseman. I hope he plays well, but I don't expect a hell of a lot out of him.
However, if JVR becomes a star in Toronto, and Schenn never improves beyond the player he was last year, there are going to be a lot of Flyers fans *****ing and moaning and ready to torch Schenn.
Yes, we get it. You can't stomach any criticism of anybody at all, especially if it reflects poorly on Holmgren in the end.
Whether you care to admit it or not, Schenn is starting on the bottom since he's been a disappointment in Toronto. He couldn't cut it on a bad team, and it went beyond just one coach. He was traded for the player many view as the consolation prize for The Dying Time. He has a bit to prove. All your petty, condescending sarcasm doesn't change any of that.
A prime example is people saying he was a "frequent" scratch in Toronto, or your characterization that he couldn't "cut it" on a bad team. If he ***** the bed then I have no problem with people getting on him. But what we all know is going to happen is every night JvR scores a goal and Luke Schenn doesn't it will be "OMG WHAT A BAD TRDE." and every night Luke Schenn gets has a turnover it will be "OMG HE SUCKS SO MUCH IT IS HIS FAULT AND BRYZ'S AND PROBABLY LEIGHTON'S TOO!"
Oh, that's right. It is ok to exaggerate things that make Homer look bad but not ok to correct those exaggerations because I am a "Homer Lover."
He certainly has a lot to prove. I'm not saying Schenn is our number one defenseman or anything like that. Simply saying that because JvR is the new Scottie Upshall (not in terms of skill so don't overreact to that statement, it is just in terms of people crying that he is gone) people are going to overreact to Schenn's play. A prime example is people saying he was a "frequent" scratch in Toronto, or your characterization that he couldn't "cut it" on a bad team. If he ***** the bed then I have no problem with people getting on him. But what we all know is going to happen is every night JvR scores a goal and Luke Schenn doesn't it will be "OMG WHAT A BAD TRDE." and every night Luke Schenn gets has a turnover it will be "OMG HE SUCKS SO MUCH IT IS HIS FAULT AND BRYZ'S AND PROBABLY LEIGHTON'S TOO!"
Dude, you're overreacting more than anyone here. Schenn couldn't cut it on a **** team. That's not slamming him, that's fact. Otherwise, there's no way Burke ever considers trading him. Doesn't mean he's going to suck forever.
You don't know a friggen' thing about what will happen months and years down the road. Neither do I. But you're pitching a fit over it already.
Relax. You'll have plenty of time to blindly defend Homer to the death in the coming months.
Nobody exaggerates Homer's flaws and questionable moves to the ridiculous extreme that you take this schtick. Point me to the person who is using caps lock and pointless, empty hyperbole in place of proving an actual point.
No. It's nowhere close.
Aside form the all caps its pretty much spot on. Now not everyone says this all the time, but on an almost daily basis we get some sort of argument between posters regarding stuff like: Homer is the worst GM ever by some people's claims. JvR for Schenn is worst trade in Flyers history. Most of the Flyers players have super-high ceilings and should not be traded. Most of the other team's players are mediocre at best. No goalie has ever let in a goal that wasn't saveable. No goal the Flyers score is ever soft. And so forth and so on.
And while each argument has it's own merit on both sides, I really don't think it is an outlandish claim that people overreact and exaggerate around here to an extreme degree. While I poke fun at these exaggerations by using all caps, I would think it is pretty clear that I don't actually think anyone has ever said the team is going to fold or be forced to move to KC or that anyone uses all caps to complain about these things. On the other hand, those people complaining are not doing it to poke fun, they are serious. And more than likely those who will argue against that are those that are involved in said exaggerations.
The only person who routinely says "HOMER IS THE WORST GM EVER" is you. The only person who says "ONLY BRYZ LETS IN BAD GOALS" is you.
Lol. Yeah, no one has ever said Homer is the worst GM ever.
I never said Bryz lets in bad goals. I have said all along he wasn't that good last year. But what I didn't say, which is what goes on around here regardless of who is in net, is that after every single goal say that he should have saved it. Which really all you have to do is pick any game where a goal was scored and you'll get a number of people throwing down a or saying how much the goalie sucks or how he should have saved it, etc.
So you take what a small, vocal minority proclaims, often while typing before they adequately think, and attribute it to the masses?
And more than likely those who will argue against that are those that are involved in said exaggerations.
Well, I can't argue with you there. You're the worst offender and the one who is arguing the loudest.
So you take what a small, vocal minority proclaims, often while typing before they adequately think, and attribute it to the masses?
As far as Schenn not cutting it on a bad team. Gimme a break. He played well for three years. Last year was a down year by everyone's account. I wouldn't call a down year and getting scratched at most 3 times in a year "not cutting it" on a bad team. Another overreaction.
this convo reminds me of the bp74 pro-bryz discussions (if you could call it that).
were he would always try to say people were saying something they werent..
i kinda miss that thread..
perhaps i should start a Bryz = BUM thread, hahaha
Are the Leafs a ****** team?
Has Schenn struggled at times?
Has Schenn been able to repeat his year 1 success?
Has Schenn been a healthy scratch on said ****** team?
If you answer yes, yes, no, yes, then it's not overreaction. It's stating facts - if you are playing for a ****** team (and I dare anyone to try to sell me that the Leafs are not), and if you are held out of the lineup due to poor play on said ****** team (which he was), then how can it be anything but "not cutting it"?
You're grasping at straws pal. And you certainly do blindly defend your favourites, while slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you.
We don't even get to the cup final without Leighton. Actually I'll amend that, we don't even make the playoffs without Leighton in 2010. When the team around him was imploding, he played strong and kept us in the hunt. Yeah the goal was bad, and none of us will ever forget it, but I'd much rather blame the third defensive pairing (Krajicek in particular) for coming up short in 2010.
Don't bother, man. I've been down this road.
EDIT: I see you are new here. Go back and look at some old threads where people say that Michael Leighton's three shutouts in the ECF are not a big deal and he deserves no credit or anything for that (because the defense was so good, not him). That will give you an idea about how "unbiased" people are around here regarding Michael Leighton.
Oh look, you've found a kindred spirit.
I don't recall anyone saying that the shutouts were nothing, but while Leighton was good, he was also helped out by his defense.
The problem was that he eventually started playing like Leighton and that was his and the Flyers' downfall. If he had been able to continue to channel a good goalie and not play like himself, the Flyers have a Cup in 2010.