The Babcocalypse: Babcock to Toronto II

[PullHard]

Carlyle isn't the imbecile people in Toronto make him out to be. Heck even Ron Wilson had done some things in the league and Internationally that are at least worthy of respect.

Keep in mind Carlyle has as many cups as Babcock.

This kind of rhetoric reminds me of how fast you changed your tune about the Olympics once Babcock's Canadian team shut down the States last year

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

This kind of rhetoric reminds me of how fast you changed your tune about the Olympics once Babcock's Canadian team shut down the States last year

Confused what you are driving at. He took maybe the best offensive team I have ever seen and neutered their offense. That was actually far from a ringing endorsement on Babcock.

I was very disappointed with how the USA played in winning time. However, lets not pretend Canada wasn't prohibitive favorites and they played maybe the most unattractive hockey imaginable. Sure give him Doughty and Price and it will work out, unfortunately he is never going to get that again.

Babcock's Canada accomplishments do nothing for me. Honestly feel bad for the Leafs there (well sort of... I hate the Leafs) that they just paid probably an additional 20 million for the guy for those performances. Heck you saw the lets be as boring as possible almost cost them the Gold in Vancouver.

I understand why Canadians buy into that, I am not sure why NHL people should. Much more concerned with him getting de-pants by McLellan, Trotz heck even Cooper late in the series in adjustments at the NHL level lately. Babcock's 2-1 win plan isn't something I have been on board with for a while. Not only is it not fun to watch, he seems to need to have exceptional talent to make it happen.

I evaluate Babcock a decent amount outside of his National Team experiences and have said as much for a while now.

Fairly excited to watch Toronto to play out. I think Babcock is a Top 10 coach in the league. He will get to whatever your expectations are most years. Well the Leafs expectations are awful for a while and at some point the are going to be expecting him to punch above his weight and I don't think it is going to happen. I am fascinated to watch that play out.

 

[odin1981]

I'm gonna laugh when by game 10 Gardiner gets the kindl/smith treatment. Yet on HF leafs almost unanimously think he will be the #1 most improved player because of Babs.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I'm gonna laugh when by game 10 Gardiner gets the kindl/smith treatment. Yet on HF leafs almost unanimously think he will be the #1 most improved player because of Babs.

Yeah, they have been warned about that on the main boards all summer though. Really an ill fit there.

 

[odin1981]

Kid has nothing in his skull. And Babs will eat him alive because of it. He like smith to me at least would have probably been a great example of converting to winger to get value from him as a asset.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Gardiner will be given ample PK time but won't even see the ice during PP's. Why? Cuz Babs said so that's why.

 

[Henkka]

Gardiner will be given ample PK time but won't even see the ice during PP's. Why? Cuz Babs said so that's why.

You have to EARN it.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

You have to EARN it.

How u score PP goals without going on the PP


Babs: You should find some way if you are good.

 

[DanZ]

"Better coach" isn't some obvious thing. You choose your coach based on fit, not who is "better." Babs tried to turn a skill roster into a grinding team with little creativity. In my opinion, Babs is better suited to coach a team like St. Louis or Anaheim. It remains to be seen if Blashill is a better fit for the Wings, but it's very possible that his system fits the Wings' strengths better than Babcock's. Babcock didn't really play to the Wings' strengths in my opinion. He was more about covering up their flaws. This is why he was so obsessed with playing "safe" players, like Abdelkader, Helm, Glendenning, Cleary, etc.

 

[Frk It]

This is why he was so obsessed with playing "safe" players, like Abdelkader, Helm, Glendenning, Cleary, etc.

Don't forget Lashoff. Didn't he play top pair with Kronwall for a bit once?

 

[Frk It]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/the-mike-babcock-playbook-how-maple-leafs-players-will-be-used/

 

[Bench]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/the-mike-babcock-playbook-how-maple-leafs-players-will-be-used/

The read from Elliotte Friedman in that piece was that Babcock had worn out his welcome with some of the vets in Detroit, and he specifically mentioned the Zetterberg quotes about it being "time", but they respected his work ethic and preparation.

 

[Avery Rule]

yep.....

 

[Tatar Shots]

Haha that is great.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

yep.....

Lel 0 and 3.

Makes me happy that his record is going down the drain

 

[Heaton]

Were people really expecting Toronto to be good this year? I don't get the memes.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Were people really expecting Toronto to be good this year? I don't get the memes.

Some where expecting them to compete for a wild card.

 

[Heaton]

Some where expecting them to compete for a wild card.

Are they the same people who think Kindl and Smith are answers for our defense?

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Are they the same people who think Kindl and Smith are answers for our defense?

Some of those people that said Toronto is contender for the wildcard think that Ericsson is a good top pair dman.

 

[jkutswings]

Were people really expecting Toronto to be good this year? I don't get the memes.

Sometimes it seems as through there are two camps on these boards, with regards to the relative impact of talent and coaching in professional hockey.

One camp tends to view the talent on each NHL roster as being close to equal, and that it is team discipline and camaraderie, lead by a talented coaching staff, that ultimately makes the difference between those who succeed and those who fail. Talent is certainly still important, but the difference between the most and least talented players is much less than the difference between the best and worst coaches.

The other camp tends to hold the exact opposite viewpoint. Some coaches are better than others, and a great coach can bring a given team's performance to an incrementally better level, but the majority of a team's wins and losses simply rests upon the talent of the players. This second camp tends to believe that there is a noticeable difference between the talent level of the best and worst teams in the league, and a smaller difference between the best and worst coaches.

It's a VERY small sample size thus far, but since I'm in the second camp, let's just say that I'm not exactly shocked that Toronto is off to a poor start.

 

[SirloinUB]

Does this thread need to continue guys?

Babcock is gone, and I think we can all move on.

Lock it up

 

[Fugu]

Probably not.

I think if any more comments come out about Babs' time here, and it seems like news, a new thread can get started. (There was something by Khan recently with Z saying that it was probably time for a fresh start.)


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