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Bonzai12

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With the recent NASA news, will someone knowledgeable update me on the "mankind runs out of time" front?

I read an interesting article last week that's changed my perspective on a lot of things. It basically talked about how the sun eventually is going to get brighter and brighter until it eventually dies off. As it increases in its power, the earths water will evaporate into the sky until eventually our planet becomes inhabitable.

Sounds doom and gloom - however the suns brightness will possibly make planets farther out than earth habitable (like Mars for instance).

It's really changed my outlook. Rather than trying to save a planet maybe we should be trying to prepare to jump to another one. I have always been bummed that we seemingly don't space explore anymore.
 

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A lot of the private missions to Mars really want to find ways to start terraforming it long-term... but that is a huge project that nobody alive today would even see a real dent. Even NASA is working on it a bit with the Mars Ecopoiesis Test Bed. Super long-term that is the future of the human race (if we last that long), but it is so far out that we need to solve our problems here first.
 

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Born and raised in Edmonton. I've been to Lebanon twice: once in 1999 (don't remember it), and then again in 2012, and I hated it. But that's because my parents are from a small town in Lebanon, and it's not developed whatsoever. The couple days I spent in Beirut, though, were great. Extremely developed.

That's about it for my travels to the Middle East, but just the vibe I get from speaking to people who have travelled there or live there now just gets me excited to move there. Personally, I'd probably choose one of Saudi Arabia, Dubai, UAE, or Qatar as a place to live. The 4 most developed Middle Eastern states. I'm a big city guy, I need modernization. It's why for my honeymoon my wife and I decided on New York City.

It would be easier for me to personally build my wealth in the Middle East based on my beliefs. I'd have easier access to purchasing homes and getting into the real estate business while having a lot less risk (and, admittedly, a lot less reward) when it comes to stocks. I simply don't have the luxury of either of those in North America.

Who knows, maybe it'll happen some day. I know a few years ago Edmonton tried to introduce "Sharia Mortgages" (I hate that they called it that, just puts a negative stigma on Islam), and one bank actually did introduce it but it wasn't marketed heavily enough so not enough people knew about it. There are rumours of some banks trying to bring it back, but as of now they're just rumours.

Really interesting stuff dahrougem.

I don't have anything to add to the conversation but I had no idea about all this and it's very eye opening to me. Thanks for the insight.
 

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I don't really have anything to add in that area, but it all seems so foreign to me. Makes me wonder how many get by without bending on their belief.
 

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A lot of the private missions to Mars really want to find ways to start terraforming it long-term... but that is a huge project that nobody alive today would even see a real dent. Even NASA is working on it a bit with the Mars Ecopoiesis Test Bed. Super long-term that is the future of the human race (if we last that long), but it is so far out that we need to solve our problems here first.

The thing that worries me is that solving our problems here is how unfeasible it is with the way our current society works. We can't even begin to agree on social issues, let alone focusing on bigger picture stuff like what to do if the earth changes beyond humanity ability to survive.

While I have some hope that we will figure out how to put out differences in the past to focus on greater issues, recent developments have me very discouraged to say the least.
 

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I read an interesting article last week that's changed my perspective on a lot of things. It basically talked about how the sun eventually is going to get brighter and brighter until it eventually dies off. As it increases in its power, the earths water will evaporate into the sky until eventually our planet becomes inhabitable.

Sounds doom and gloom - however the suns brightness will possibly make planets farther out than earth habitable (like Mars for instance).

It's really changed my outlook. Rather than trying to save a planet maybe we should be trying to prepare to jump to another one. I have always been bummed that we seemingly don't space explore anymore.

The bolded is interesting... About trying to save a planet, yeah, you can't "save" a planet. I'd love to be able to see just the logistics hell that would ensue from jumping planets. Lucky for me that's too far away for me to bother my head with it.

One thing I've also somehow thought about in the past few days is, what exactly it is that made this one planet such a "special" one. And since there's one here, there's got to be another somewhere else. But that's concepts too big to grasp.
 

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The bolded is interesting... About trying to save a planet, yeah, you can't "save" a planet.

One thing I've also somehow thought about in the past few days is, what exactly it is that made this one planet such a "special" one. And since there's one here, there's got to be another somewhere else. But that's concepts too big to grasp.

That's easy... we have hockey. :sarcasm:
 

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Really interesting stuff dahrougem.

I don't have anything to add to the conversation but I had no idea about all this and it's very eye opening to me. Thanks for the insight.

Yes me too, thanks a lot for sharing, dahrougem. I find things like cultural differences really interesting and enjoy hearing from our Finns too for example. I just don't know how to get the ball rolling without sounding completely ignorant asking about something. I can imagine it's especially tough adhering to strict religious beliefs in a North American lifestyle. Dubai and those places makes a lot if sense, best of both worlds. I'd love to visit there. I'm a big city person myself, my dream is to live downtown.
 

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The bolded is interesting... About trying to save a planet, yeah, you can't "save" a planet. I'd love to be able to see just the logistics hell that would ensue from jumping planets. Lucky for me that's too far away for me to bother my head with it.

One thing I've also somehow thought about in the past few days is, what exactly it is that made this one planet such a "special" one. And since there's one here, there's got to be another somewhere else. But that's concepts too big to grasp.

Yeah, are we talking in like a million years the sun's reach will get to us? Our time here is just so insignificant in comparison. That's the way I see it, we shouldn't think we are so important that we can influence these things.

I've thought of that too, why just one planet where everything came together to create life? There's just no way that we can properly conceptualize what else is out there. We can barely understand our own solar system.
 

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That's easy... we have hockey. :sarcasm:

They have hockey on Mars

In 2009, Zorp Orgad, a representitive of the Martian Republic of Power will descend upon Earth and demand a seven game series between the best possible compilation of human players who will compete against the Martian All-Stars. The Martians state that if the humans either decline or lose the series the Earth will be destroyed.

Shortly thereafter a team of players was assembled by Earth, aptly named "World Heroes". That day and the several weeks following would witness the most important inter-galactic Ice-Hockey battle to ever take place, and arguably the most decisive moments in the 4.5 billion years of Earth's history.

Captained by the incredible Joe Sakic, World Heroes consisted of the nineteen finest men on the planet. Joe Sakic, Jarome Iginla, Alexandre Ovechkin, Sydney Crosby, Jaromir Jagr, Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin, Henrik Zetterberg, Dany Heatley, Gary Roberts, Teemu Selanne and Chris Drury filled out the forwards. Even as impressive was the defence, led by Scott Niedermayer, he was accompanied by Niklas Lidstrom, Chris Pronger, Tomas Kaberle, Dion Phaneuf and Jason Smith. Martin Brodeur was named the lone goaltender.

Though the team had been named, the world was still in need of a leader. On August 7th, 2009 the United States Government had no choice but to name Paul Maurice, currently on tour with the ILKF (International League of Knife Fighting), the coach of the team that would decide the fate of the Earth.

Immediately following his appointment as coach of World Heroes there were several attempts made on the life of Paul Maurice by Martian spies as well as the bitter Lindy Ruff, all of which were easily avoided and the attackers were swiftly dismembered.

When quizzed about the events Paul Maurice shrugged and promptly responded, "I've killed before and I'll kill again."

As you can imagine, controversy was rife even before the puck was dropped.

Allegations of outrageous cocaine use and constant solicitation of hookers were thrown at Maurice relentlessly by the media. On top that, he had recently been arrested for the possesion of thirty-two thousand guns and several rocket launchers. He publicly silenced his critics by staring into the news camera for thirty minutes without a blink. The world took notice. This is the man they needed, this is the man we wanted. The hero was born.

Outside of the Paul Maurice media circus there were other pressing dilemmas. Joe Sakic, controversial captain of World Heroes, was coming off his worst season ever. With only 12 goals and 48 points and a plus/minus rating -19 Sakic and the Colorado Avalanche had missed the playoffs for the first time in the teams history. A large group of would-be supporters, led by Jason Spezza, who was surprisingly ommited from the team, called for the prompt departure of captain Joseph Sakic.

At a press conference leading up towards the series, Jason Spezza unleashed a verbal battering against Sakic. Before Sakic was able to reply Paul Maurice had clutched Spezza by the throat and punched out the whiney centreman.

The stage was set, games one, two, five and seven were to be played on Earth while games three, four and six would be held on Mars. The Earth games were played in Rexall Place, Edmonton, Madison Square Gardens, New York, CSKA Sport Palace, Moscow and Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto. All games on Mars were played on the dreaded thirty-nine kilometre high, eight-hundred and fifty thousand seat Mount Olympus Chaos Arena. When questioned over whether he and his players would suffer a disadvantage playing in such a location he responded by saying, "I'm sure we'll enjoy the scenery," and took another puff of his cigarette.

Thus, the series began with Maurice looking on.

Games one and two were won easily by the Martian All-Stars. With 6-0 and 10-1 victories respectively, World Heroes were collectively brought to their knees and the global population silenced. Hope dwindled.

On the shuttle flight to Mars Paul Maurice gave what is now known, in Martian, as the "DALA-GRAK", the most inspiring and prolific speech ever given. Onlookers still wonder whether a small piece of the late Winston Churchill had been reborn inside the man who spoke before them.

In closing, Paul Maurice declared "Times will change... era's end... but we are all forever men, and as men, we write the pages of history and history does not end anytime soon."

Game 3 began.

World Heroes came out firing. They went ahead 2-0 in the first period through goals by Peter Forsberg and Henrik Zetterberg. The human side would have been ahead by even more if it had not been for the superb goaltending displayed by Nebulus-9.

The second period saw a dramatic change in play. With several questionable penalties called against World Heroes the Martian All-Stars were able to capitalize and net three powerplay goals. Our Heroes were shocked. Going into the 3rd period, World Heroes faced the possibility of falling to an insurmountable 3-0 series deficit.

With their biggest stars failing to impress and hope fading fast, it was the young Henrik Zetterberg who played the role of saviour. Two late goals in the dying minutes gave himself a hat-trick and gave World Heroes a badly needed victory.

Game 4 had quite a buzz while Head Coach Paul Maurice was badly hungover. While outing his smoke on Chris Drury's neck he looked on at the dressing room wall with brutal contempt. The demons inside Paul Maurice could not go unnoticed. Unaware of how is present condition affected his team, World Heroes lost the game 4-1 in what is generally the most lacklustre effort by group of men. Contributing to the pain was the tragic death of the World Hero, Henrik Zetterberg. Caught squarely in the jaw by the shoulder of Rakton Klack, the Swedish game 3 star was killed instantly. Paul Maurice, at the time, could hardly have noticed. He would.

Maurice was the first to realize the blame for the events of game 4 fell solely on his shoulders. He was determined to make amends. He promised himself he would kick the alcohol for the remainder of the series, cigarettes and women would have to do.

On a more personal matter, Paul Maurice sought out and murdered Rakton Klack. He was ready to go back to Earth, he was ready to win.

Games 5 and 6 saw World Heroes put together some fine performances and force a game 7. As good as the Martian All-Stars were, World Heroes were that much better.

With victory no longer a certainty the Martian Republic of Power turned to more devious tactits in order to win the series. They set out to end Paul Maurice's tenure as coach of World Heroes... permanently.

On the day of the game 6 victory two Martian police officers were killed during a routine traffic stop. Somehow, Mars Judicial Council of Judgement placed Maurice under arrest for both murders. He was being framed.

When asked how do you plan on defending yourself Paul Maurice explained that he would be his own attorney. As he was being mocked by the Martian judge for defending himself Paul Maurice responded in a rising whisper and said, "Well your honour.... the best defence.. is a good offence." Afterwhich he pulled out two guns and began unloading on those present in the courtroom. Once the guns were quieted the chase was on. Maurice lept through courthouse window which was on the 3rd floor of the building and fled the thousands of rampaging Martian soldiers who were hot on his tail. Maurice could see the end of his road, the Martian gorge opened up before him with his attackers still trailing- bullets whizzing past his head like flies. With no other choice, Paul Maurice lept into the gorge. Shortly after jumping Paul Maurice ignited his jetpack, leaving the Martians in the dust.

Game 7 was here.

World Heroes hit the ice with never before seen intensity by men. They grabbed the opening goal through a classic Joe Sakic wrist-shot from just above the hash marks. The Martians however would not lay and went on to score the next 3 goals. Stunned but not beaten, World Heroes fought back, once again led by Joe Sakic. A one-timer through the five-hole and a shorthanded goal that Nebulus-9 would certainly like to have back tied the game for World Heroes. Still, the Martians taking the lead again before the end of the second. Though unrecorded, whatever it was that Maurice in the dressing room was the undoubtedly the deciding factor. Tying the game was Joe Sakic with his fourth goal. It would come down to overtime.

It was once again Joe Sakic scoring the goal with Paul Maurice looking on with adoring eyes. Scott Niedermayer sprung Joe Sakic on a breakaway where he fired the puck over the glove hand of the Martian tender. World Heroes had won, Earth was safe.

Bonds between captains and coaches have come and gone, but this was different. And while the glory was sweet, the battle for Maurice had not ended, the bitter taste remained. As a gesture of love to the father he never had Joe Sakic cut the "C" out of his jersey and gave it to Paul. Then, with heavy heart, watched the world's most dangerous man blast away into the sky... forever.
 

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Meh NASA stories should be considered a grain of salt as for as I am concerned. Go read a single article by them, the amount of "estimate", "think", and "what ifs" you'll find is breathtakingly ******** that it's more of a waste of time. Honestly, sometimes it comes more off as propaganda than "imagination".

Who knows, maybe it'll happen some day. I know a few years ago Edmonton tried to introduce "Sharia Mortgages" (I hate that they called it that, just puts a negative stigma on Islam), and one bank actually did introduce it but it wasn't marketed heavily enough so not enough people knew about it. There are rumours of some banks trying to bring it back, but as of now they're just rumours.
Forgive me, but this whole paragraph makes literally no sense. Muslims can't pay interest, so City of Edmonton decides to make a specific mortgage since every Muslim in the world is not a businessman making six figures. So to help the Muslim population in buying houses they make Sharia Mortgage finances, but you hate it because it sheds negative light for a religion that can't take interest payments, which the City of Edmonton tried to help? Seriously?
 

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Forgive me, but this whole paragraph makes literally no sense. Muslims can't pay interest, so City of Edmonton decides to make a specific mortgage since every Muslim in the world is not a businessman making six figures. So to help the Muslim population in buying houses they make Sharia Mortgage finances, but you hate it because it sheds negative light for a religion that can't take interest payments, which the City of Edmonton tried to help? Seriously?

I think his point was that by calling it "Sharia" mortgages specifically that turned him off the idea. Maybe dahrougem can explain a little more.

I can understand that labeling something "Sharia" in the western world is not going to be looked at in a very good light these days. I doubt many Edmonton muslims would want to associate themselves with something that might even seem like sharia law.
 

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Yeah, are we talking in like a million years the sun's reach will get to us? Our time here is just so insignificant in comparison. That's the way I see it, we shouldn't think we are so important that we can influence these things.

I've thought of that too, why just one planet where everything came together to create life? There's just no way that we can properly conceptualize what else is out there. We can barely understand our own solar system.

Multiple billions.
 

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Forgive me, but this whole paragraph makes literally no sense. Muslims can't pay interest, so City of Edmonton decides to make a specific mortgage since every Muslim in the world is not a businessman making six figures. So to help the Muslim population in buying houses they make Sharia Mortgage finances, but you hate it because it sheds negative light for a religion that can't take interest payments, which the City of Edmonton tried to help? Seriously?

I think his point was that by calling it "Sharia" mortgages specifically that turned him off the idea. Maybe dahrougem can explain a little more.

I can understand that labeling something "Sharia" in the western world is not going to be looked at in a very good light these days. I doubt many Edmonton muslims would want to associate themselves with something that might even seem like sharia law.

Bolded is the answer. Nothing turned me away from it, I was too young at the time to buy a house. If it ever came back, I'd jump at the opportunity instantly. However, calling it a "sharia mortgage" makes it even more difficult to bring into North America because of the negative stigma associated with Sharia Law in the Middle East. Just call it what it is: an interest-free mortgage. Mortgages in North America aren't called "Atheist Mortgages" (since I believe there are things against Usury in Christianity so I didn't use Christianity), so why attach a religious aspect to the mortgage?

Yes, it would be Muslims who'd be all over those kinds of mortgages, but other individuals would more than likely follow suit and take the opportunity, too.
 

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I mean I'm a valet so I'm very much on board with tipping :D In all seriousness, I don't have much against it, I think that may be cuz I've grown up in that culture but I think it makes sense somewhat to reward those doing a service for you. Just my $.02 :dunno:

I wish a tip was for a job well done, an extra something to show you really enjoyed the food or service. But in the US it's seen as you are basically ripping people off if you don't tip. Servers are paid a very low wage with the expectation that they make up the difference in tips. So if you don't tip then you basically are saying that they just waited on you for free. Everyone tips at restaurants because we know this is how they make their money. But then it goes further on things you actually paid good money for, like let's say a tour while on vacation, and the expectation is that you tip there too, which I don't agree with. Then if anyone ever touches your things from a baggage handler then you need to tip them too. I do it if someone is bringing my bags to the room. But things like on a cruise pier there's guys who take your bag and literally just put it on a cart in front of them want a tip. It just never ends. If you get a haircut or service, tip. Even if those services are already very expensive. Are you supposed to tip at Starbucks now, the bank, a grocery store? They are "serving" you too. But people do it because they don't want to be seen as a cheap *******.

This is one of the problems. Where should you draw the line? Just for waitresses? No, that wouldn't be fair for taxi drivers. Nice to see two opinions, and I basically feel how you feel TV.

Of course, waiters and waitresses in Finland have decent salaries. So the tips are "included" in their salaries. I'd think they can make (some Finns can correct me if I'm wrong) closer to 1500-2000€/month which in here is a amount of money you can easily live with as you don't pay for health care etc.

One thing I feel that would be unfair, better looking persons get more tips.
 

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One thing I feel that would be unfair, better looking persons get more tips.

That certainly happens.

I find it weird to not tip. Just the culture I was raised in I guess. I typically do a standard 20% on most, but if somebody is outstanding, I will do more. There are a few places on the front range moving to the no tip model, and it is just incredibly weird feeling.
 
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