The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VII: An Ode to the Sanity of Silverfish

[Machinehead]

BTW, I just saw this:

How is it possible that Jack Johnson gets that type of contract?

"Canadiens."

That's how.

 

[Machinehead]

Running down the list of players who have good relTxGA60 metrics, shoot right handed, are maybe available, and can maybe handle 1RD duties. inb4 @LiasAndersson thinks this post is me listing "elite" d-men.

Dougie
Petry (probably not available, but hey, Bergevin)
Pysyk (probably not available)
Pateryn
Murphy
Dotchin (probably not available)
Tanev

Not a pretty list based off of this criteria, at least.

Actually... maybe Dotchin is available? That'd be a good get, I think. Someone remind me to run the tool on him when I get home. On further analysis, he may be a product of Hedman.

Tanev and Dougie actually are elite.

Tanev would cost a haul. Dougie could be had imo. Bit of Cody Franson syndrome. 6'5" and not a convicted killer, so he's soff.

 

[Irishguy42]

Find me a way to get Dougie Hamilton please and thank you.

Flames desperate for picks and forwards. I feel like something could get done, and it's worth it to pay for him.

 

[Machinehead]

Find me a way to get Dougie Hamilton please and thank you.

Flames desperate for picks and forwards. I feel like something could get done, and it's worth it to pay for him.

I'd do 29OA, Zucc/Namestnikov/Spooner, and forward prospect who obviously isn't Chytil or Andersson as a start.

 

[silverfish]

Yeah Dougie would be a great get, but I really don't see this team coughing up the assets for him considering we are "rebuilding" for whatever stupid f***ing reason we're doing that.

Gotta see if we can isolte players similar to Dougie who cost way less. It's MONEYPUCK time.

Dougie's 6th most similar player? Mother-effin-Franson. (EK65, Scott Mayfiled (uh oh), Pietrangelo, Gudas, Byfuglien)

 

[Irishguy42]

Yeah Dougie would be a great get, but I really don't see this team coughing up the assets for him considering we are "rebuilding" for whatever stupid ****ing reason we're doing that.

Gotta see if we can isolte players similar to Dougie who cost way less. It's MONEYPUCK time.

Dougie's 6th most similar player? Mother-effin-Franson. (EK65, Scott Mayfiled (uh oh), Pietrangelo, Gudas, Byfuglien)

How does Nakladal fit into this?

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah Dougie would be a great get, but I really don't see this team coughing up the assets for him considering we are "rebuilding" for whatever stupid ****ing reason we're doing that.

Gotta see if we can isolte players similar to Dougie who cost way less. It's MONEYPUCK time.

Dougie's 6th most similar player? Mother-effin-Franson. (EK65, Scott Mayfiled (uh oh), Pietrangelo, Gudas, Byfuglien)

We'll do neither and just play Pionk 23 minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

How does Nakladal fit into this?

We sign him and then trade him for a pick in 2029.

We use that pick to reach for a grinder.

 

[silverfish]

How does Nakladal fit into this?

It's a tragedy that guy isn't in the NHL.

We'll do neither and just play Pionk 23 minutes.

Will not surprise me whatsoever. My nightmare is that we end this 'rebuild' and our top pair is Skjei-Pionk. I mean, if they both develop to that level? Groovy. If we're playing them there because that's where we're at? Then... well... waste of three years or however long this is going to take. Always afraid of not being on topic in this thread anymore so I'll say that Pionk needs to get his head out of his ass and stop murdering shot attempt totals when he's on the ice because boy did he do that last year.

 

[Irishguy42]

It's a tragedy that guy isn't in the NHL.


Will not surprise me whatsoever. My nightmare is that we end this 'rebuild' and our top pair is Skjei-Pionk. I mean, if they both develop to that level? Groovy. If we're playing them there because that's where we're at? Then... well... waste of three years or however long this is going to take. Always afraid of not being on topic in this thread anymore so I'll say that Pionk needs to get his head out of his ass and stop murdering shot attempt totals when he's on the ice because boy did he do that last year.

Who knows. Maybe with Quinn/new defensive scheme, things will be better.

 

[silverfish]

Who knows. Maybe with Quinn/new defensive scheme, things will be better.

Getting worse would be far more impressive than getting better.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I honestly don't know how Pionk could be much worse lol. I actually like his skillset, hopefully he makes better decisions with the puck though, that was his biggest area of weakness when he got the callup. Most notably in the defensive zone, a lot of just throwing the puck off the boards hoping to just get the puck out of the zone instead of making a play.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Tableau Public

Here you go Mac, @CJTdevil on twitter has compiled all the data

Awesome, yeah that's the one I tend to use, but I was wondering if it were all in a database instead of having to go player by player.

@ManUtdTobbe where's the same tableu for transition data for prospects? I saw you tweet about it earlier re: Gruden

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Awesome, yeah that's the one I tend to use, but I was wondering if it were all in a database instead of having to go player by player.

@ManUtdTobbe where's the same tableu for transition data for prospects? I saw you tweet about it earlier re: Gruden

Tableau Public

 

[Phnxldr]

What do you guys think of Brendan Smith? His possession numbers actually looked fine last season.

 

[silverfish]

What do you guys think of Brendan Smith? His possession numbers actually looked fine last season.

In my eyes, he's the de facto 1 RD in the organization right now. He'll have what is perceived to be a 'bounce back' year, and HFNYR will forget how much they hated him this season.

 

[Mac n Gs]

In my eyes, he's the de facto 1 RD in the organization right now. He'll have what is perceived to be a 'bounce back' year, and HFNYR will forget how much they hated him this season.

I’d rather keep him at LD and let him bounce back that way, but then again, I wouldn’t be shocked if we buy him out in an hour

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Carp said they're not planning to buy anyone out

Quinn said he has known Smith for a while, I assume they're going to give Smith the chance to get his shit together

I want to see someone like Hajek or Bigras make this team out of camp so they're forced to do something with Staal. Although our luck they'll do something with Smith instead

 

[silverfish]

Sort of feel the same way which is why I'd be fine with Smith being the 1RD, or finding a guy who isn't a "conventional" 1D and placing him there.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Sort of feel the same way which is why I'd be fine with Smith being the 1RD, or finding a guy who isn't a "conventional" 1D and placing him there.

A lot of it is system driven and requires forwards to be doing their part on the backcheck, etc. I agree that I’d rather be deadlier up front

 

[Machinehead]

Disagree.

Who's the last team to win it without a #1 D, aside from the 2017 Penguins who went on a PDO porno?

Possible? Yes. Extremely rare? Hell yes. Ideal way of building a team? Surely not.

Give me Keith/Doughty playing 1000 minutes a game in the playoffs any day over an elite forward.

 

[Machinehead]

The last time this garbage franchise actually won the Cup, they had two top-five defensemen.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Disagree.

Who's the last team to win it without a #1 D, aside from the 2017 Penguins who went on a PDO porno?

Possible? Yes. Extremely rare? Hell yes. Ideal way of building a team? Surely not.

Give me Keith/Doughty playing 1000 minutes a game in the playoffs any day over an elite forward.

So you’re calling Carlson a 1D?

 

[silverfish]

So you’re calling Carlson a 1D?

 

[Machinehead]

So you’re calling Carlson a 1D?

Carlson? No.

Matt Niskanen, the best matchup D in the NHL? Ask William Karlsson how that went.