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Well wouldn't this season be his draft + 2 season? So technically last season would be an overage draft season as wellSemantics of the difference of a draft OA year vs. a junior OA year.
Well wouldn't this season be his draft + 2 season? So technically last season would be an overage draft season as wellSemantics of the difference of a draft OA year vs. a junior OA year.
Makes sense but someone who is in their draft + 1 year or draft + 2 year are both "overage" draft players. I guess if we're just generalizing undrafted players as OA guys that works. But if you follow junior hockey the OA season would be next year for Leason.I don't think people are talking about players being drafted after their overage season in juniors. Such players wouldn't be draft eligible anymore (with the possible exception, I suppose, of import players only coming over for their overage year).
I think that's a lazy comparable. One, it looks like you're conflating Leason's 19-y/o "draft overager" year with their 113-129 point 20-y/o "CHL overager" years. That bully OA WHL year is '20-21 for Leason if he's not in the AHL. Two, Leason's good enough for HC and had one less point than Glass while at the '19 WJC. None of those other four were ever good enough at that age to be on their WJC squads, let all alone produce, yet all are playing in the AHL to varying degrees on ELC's earned through their following OA years. Three, so what you're saying is that you'd pass on the 6'4" late bloomer (grew quickly, large frame) who has worked hard at his skating to only roll the dice on younger picks that you only wish stepped forward this well?He was draft eligible in 2017 as well. I wouldn't use a pick on him, it's not at all unusual for overagers to beast in the WHL. Happens every single year with 20yo guys making mincemeat of younger, smaller, weaker competition.
Last year it was Jayden Halbgewachs and Glenn Gawdin tearing it up. Dryden Hunt and Brayden Burke in 15-16. Huge numbers from a 19-20 year old playing against 16 and 17 year olds doesn't make a guy who has been passed over twice suddenly draftable.
Nice post. I read it all and while we don't agree on Leason I can certainly appreciate the thought and work you put into your case. For me, I'm just never going to have much faith in a guy that was passed over in two drafts. Not only would I not draft him in the first round (where it sounds like you believe he'll go) but I wouldn't even think about him until the 7th round which is prime Eric Locke territory. Remember him? Passed over in two drafts, we took him in the 7th in his third year of eligibility after he beasted his way to a 97pt season as a third year, 19yo player. He's 25 now and playing college hockey after not getting signed by us or anyone else on the continent and ending up in Austria for a few years not doing a lot.I think that's a lazy comparable. One, it looks like you're conflating Leason's 19-y/o "draft overager" year with their 113-129 point 20-y/o "CHL overager" years. That bully OA WHL year is '20-21 for Leason if he's not in the AHL. Two, Leason's good enough for HC and had one less point than Glass while at the '19 WJC. None of those other four were ever good enough at that age to be on their WJC squads, let all alone produce, yet all are playing in the AHL to varying degrees on ELC's earned through their following OA years. Three, so what you're saying is that you'd pass on the 6'4" late bloomer (grew quickly, large frame) who has worked hard at his skating to only roll the dice on younger picks that you only wish stepped forward this well?
Numbers for reference:
Leason wasn't even playing Junior-A in '15-16. His 17-y/o '16-17 season, aka draft year, was his first in the WHL, leaving home and jumping from Midget AAA to WHL. He got traded to a better spot in PA during his +1 year, doubling his production there from his previous season, and now, in his +2 year as a 19 y/o, surged to Cody Glass type numbers at both the WHL and WJC levels. That's a 2+ P/GP WHL clip right now for those unaware. Glass, like Leason, is also an April '99 birthday. Glass was drafted 6th overall in 2017. Not pausing yet? Did I mention Leason's not a smurf and can shoot? Only question here should be where do you see his ceiling and floor in comparison to the tiers of this draft.
- Halbgewachs' 19-y/o year = 2016-17, so: 71GP 50+51=101
- Gawdin's 19-y/o year = 2016-17, so: 52 GP 26+33=59
- Hunt's 19-y/o year = 2014-15, so: 71 GP 33+50=83
- Burke's 19-y/o year = 2016-17, so: 61 GP 19+63=82
- Glass's 19-y/o year = 2018-19, so: 26 GP 12+42=54
- Leason's 19-y/o year= 2018-19, so: 31 GP 28+36=64
Looks like three, this year. Ive already asked simalar ..but do you think any three are taken 15 to 28 , do any see time next year and what would you rank with prospects and do any wjc playerx compete for spots soon?@Reddawg How old you are between Sep.15 and Dec.31 is the age typically used in CBA's for age-related matters, hence why I used it. For instance, if you're considered 19 there, you're eligible to play an overage year the next season; if you're 20, you're not and it's your last. Leason's season will dwarf or best those examples at 19-y/o if he only maintains a 1.5+ P/GP clip. His year's on pace to best all of their even better 20-y/o OA bully years too.
All things being equal, I hope we walk away from the first round with 3 forwards. The team and the system really need some guys who can score.
Im hoping 2 forwards and a d, but honestly, this year its bpa. We have all the important must-haves covered, now just pick the best talent.
All things being equal, I hope we walk away from the first round with 3 forwards. The team and the system really need some guys who can score.
I know this isn't you point, which I agree with, but I think we can officially give up hope on getting that Blues 1st this year. Looking at the standings at the halfway point, you can pretty much write 2020 in stone now, regarding that pick.
Eh, the Blues are far from a lock to pick in the top 10, even with where they are in the standings. They've got at least one game in hand on literally everyone, and several on some of the teams "ahead" of them in the standings. It's not like they're in free fall like Ottawa or Detroit either, it's far from unrealistic that they could string a few wins together.I know this isn't you point, which I agree with, but I think we can officially give up hope on getting that Blues 1st this year. Looking at the standings at the halfway point, you can pretty much write 2020 in stone now, regarding that pick.
So which high-floor, low-ceiling Swedes are we looking at with SJ's late-1st?
Eh, the Blues are far from a lock to pick in the top 10, even with where they are in the standings. They've got at least one game in hand on literally everyone, and several on some of the teams "ahead" of them in the standings. It's not like they're in free fall like Ottawa or Detroit either, it's far from unrealistic that they could string a few wins together.
It would be a legendary comeback to make the playoffs being in last place, 9 points back, at the halfway point. Games-in-hand aside (they do have a number of GIH on most).
There's always hope, nothing's a sure thing, etc....but this is one wish I'm not getting my hopes up on. Not with that defense. I'm an optimist but resigned to the fact that we aren't getting that 2019 pick.
It’s the San Jose pick that’s lottery protectedIt would be a legendary comeback to make the playoffs being in last place, 9 points back, at the halfway point. Games-in-hand aside (they do have a number of GIH on most).
There's always hope, nothing's a sure thing, etc....but this is one wish I'm not getting my hopes up on. Not with that defense. I'm an optimist but resigned to the fact that we aren't getting that 2019 pick.
Hughes on the Avs would be scary.
Albin Grewe. Swedish version of Varada.