Speculation: The 12 Homegrown Buffalo Sabres who will be Contributors to a Stanley Cup

[sabrebuild]

Girgensons
Buf 2015 1st round
Ny 2015 1st round
Reinhart
Grigorenko
Hodgson
Compher
Baptiste

Myers
Risto
Zadorov
Pysyk

 

[ZeroPT*]

Girgensons
Buf 2015 1st round
Ny 2015 1st round
Reinhart
Grigorenko
Hodgson
Compher
Baptiste

Myers
Risto
Zadorov
Pysyk

Hodgson isn't a sabres draft pick

 

[kirby11]

Buf 2015 1st
Reinhart
Girgs
Enzo
Compher
Baptiste
Lemieux
Kea

Risto
Myers
Pysyk


Ullmark

 

[Zman5778]

Alright, I'll give this a shot:

Forwards:
Reinhart
Girgensons
BUF 2015 1st
Compher
Lemieux
Kea

Defense:
Myers
Risto
Pysyk
McCabe
Zadorov

Goalie:
Ullmark


Thank goodness that Carrier and Fasching don't count for this exercise. Baptiste was a painful one to leave out.......but if he shows again this year, he goes in and either Kea or Foligno goes out.

 

[krt88]

I'll take a stab:

Forwards

Reinhart
BUF 2015 1st
Girgensons
Compher
Baptiste
Lemieux
Foligno
Kea

Defensemen

Ristolainen
McCabe
Pysyk

Goaltenders

Ullmark

so they'll be winning the cup in 2020/21?

Lemieux, Kea and Compher aren't gonna play with the Sabres until 2018/19.

BL and JTC aren't gonna be pros until 20-16/17, and then they'll need time in the minors.

 

[allsilverdreams]

why all the love for Kea?

 

[Paxon]

why all the love for Kea?

He's very big and skates very well. He's a good defensive player and I think he'll get better as he fills out more. He seems like a reasonably safe bet to be a legit NHL-caliber bottom 6 player defensively, but it remains to be seen how much offense he can bring or if it'll be enough to allow him to fit what the team wants. He lacks the ceiling of most of our other prospects as I'd say there's zero chance he becomes a second-line player, but he also projects better to a specific NHL role than a lot of those guys.

Compare him to fellow 2012 draftee Radek Faksa, a guy drafted one spot before Zemgus who many preferred to Zemgus or even Grigorenko. In their post-draft years, Faksa scored 31 points in 39 games (0.79 PPG) while Kea scored 48 in 68 (0.70). That's a gap to be sure, but not a huge one considering the difference in prospect quality. Last year, Kea scored 49 points in 58 games (0.84) to Faksa's 48 in 59 (0.81). Over the past two seasons, Kea has scored 44 goals in 126 games (0.35) to Faksa's 30 in 98 (0.31). There are many factors in play of course, but the point is that while Faksa's stock has dropped, Kea's has risen to the point where they're not all too far apart. Neither is ever going to be a top 6 player, but both have fair shots at thriving in NHL bottom 6's.

 

[Jame]

I don't think so. That's why I pointed out all the 1st rounders drafted in the years before their team won Cups, yet did not contribute to those Cups. Also, I'd imagine that Grigorenko and Armia are in most people's top-12 prospects, but they're being excluded pretty regularly so far.

How did you determine that armia:grigs wouldn't be part of your 12, but Baptiste/compher/Lemieux would?

Seems random and arbitrary

 

[Jame]

In comparing to cup winners, we should probably level set for volume of draft picks (1st and 2nd)

 

[Moskau]

How did you determine that armia:grigs wouldn't be part of your 12, but Baptiste/compher/Lemieux would?

Seems random and arbitrary

I think this is more of a list of "prospects who you think will do well in the playoffs". That may be why you see more of Kea, Compher and Lemieux and less of Armia or Grigorenko.

 

[JLewyB]

Forwards
Girgs
Reinhart
Foligno
Lemeiux
Buff 2015
Compher

Defense
Risto
Zads
Pysyk
Myers
McCabe

Goalie
Ullmark

I'm staying away from RW. Fasching, Baptiste, Armia, K-Sec, Bailey, and then Compher, Coho and Cornel all shoot right. I went with Compher because he can play wing and center.

 

[Jame]

I think this is more of a list of "prospects who you think will do well in the playoffs". That may be why you see more of Kea, Compher and Lemieux and less of Armia or Grigorenko.

I think it's just the general perception that 2 way type forwards are safer bets than guys whose game relies entirely on offensive production... And the realization that those 2 way guys who have that grind it out mentality... Are more valuable in the playoffs than the 1 dimensional offensive guy... All due respect to Marian Gaborik not withstanding

 

[tsujimoto74]

Sure, why not?

Reinhart
Girgensons
2015 1st(s)
Compher
Grigorenko
Lemieux
Foligno

Myers
Ristolainen
McCabe
Zadorov

Ullmark

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Forwards: Girgensons, McEichel, Reinhart, Compher, Grigorenko (interesting how many people don't see him around), NYI 1st (Zacha?), Armia

D-men: Myers, Zadorov, Ristolainen, Pysyk

Goaltender: Ullmark

 

[NotABadPeriod]

I think it's just the general perception that 2 way type forwards are safer bets than guys whose game relies entirely on offensive production... And the realization that those 2 way guys who have that grind it out mentality... Are more valuable in the playoffs than the 1 dimensional offensive guy... All due respect to Marian Gaborik not withstanding

Still the concept of the thread is pretty pointless.

Patrick Kane and Evgeni Malkin too.

You can't rely solely on offense-only types, but when they are complemented with 2 way guys (like Toews/Hossa, or in our case Reinhart/Girgensons/Compher/etc) a guy like Grigorenko could be extremely valuable in the playoffs.

 

[Samsonite23]

I think this is more of a list of "prospects who you think will do well in the playoffs". That may be why you see more of Kea, Compher and Lemieux and less of Armia or Grigorenko.

I get your point, but Armia wouldn't be on your list of playoff performers? He usually goes to a different level in playoff series. Especially in terms of effort and defense.

 

[BananaSquad]

Girgensons
Reinhart
2015 1st
Ennis (lifer imo)
Myers
Risto

Everyone else who knows.

 

[JThorne]

15 buf first
16 buf first
15 nyi first
Reinhart
Girgensons

Myers
Ristolainen
Zadorov

Nobody else. Trade bait or just meh players.

 

[sabrebuild]

Hodgson isn't a sabres draft pick

Oopsies

 

[Djp]

so they'll be winning the cup in 2020/21?

Lemieux, Kea and Compher aren't gonna play with the Sabres until 2018/19.

Kea starts his ELC this so in 17/18 he needs to be part of the Sabres or has to clear waivers.

Lemieux stars his ELC likely in 16/17...I would expect to see him on the Sabres in 17/18 with call ups.

Compher I expect him to turn pro after this NCAA season but if not for certain iafter his junior year in 16/17 he is part of Buffalo. If he turns profor 15/16 I expect him to be a call up in 16/17 and earn a spot in 17/18.

why all the love for Kea?

potential---I need to see something from him before I give him such love.

How did you determine that armia:grigs wouldn't be part of your 12, but Baptiste/compher/Lemieux would?

Seems random and arbitrary

I think Armia and Grigs could be trade bait to acquire a missing piece.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Drew Stafford

 

[Der Jaeger]

12???

Choosing that many is essentially asking for a top 12 favorite prospects list, isn't it?

It's way too hard to predict which 2nd and 3rd tier prospects will be around in a few years...

Forwards
Reinhart
Girgensons
BUF 2015 1st

Defensemen
Myers
Ristolainen

That's my list. Also my future projected core.

 

[Havok89]

Eichel
Reinhart
Girgensons
Grigorenko
Compher
Foligno
Baptiste

Ristolainen
Zadorov
McCabe
Pysyk

Ullmark

 

[ZeroPT*]

2015 pick
Reinhart
Girgensons
Compher
Grigorenko
Risto
Zadorov
McCabe
Baptiste or Armia
Myers
Foligno
Kea

I would insulate Ullmark but goalies at super unpredictable. Carrier,Fasching, Larsson and Hodgson will be important too imo.

 

[Bps21*]

I assume we are allowed to use the 2015 picks acquired by trade right? I mean Girgensons and zadorov are from picks acquired in trade too...so I guess we have to.

Reinhart
Girgensons
Compher
BUF 2015 1st
NYI 2015 1st
Lemieux
Ennis


Ristolainen
Zadorov
Pysyk
McCabe


Ullmark (big believer)


I couldn't put Myers because I think Murray would move him if he got a good offer. I don't think he'd move ristolainen for a great offer...so that's the difference to me. I used Ennis because I think a battle between he and hodgson will become a thing and Ennis will win it. Our pick this year is going to be stupid high. The islanders more towards the middle...but in this draft? That's a piece. I was tempted to throw our 2016 1st on the list because, while we will be better, it's not hard to envision a pretty decent pick that year before we take off the next season..but I passed since I could get to 12 without it. Crazy that I could do it without one of my top few personal prospects (fasching) being allowed. Didn't use armia or grigorenko because who knows...and I didn't need to. If one or both pan out though? Jesus Christ... Baptiste, Hurley, Bailey, cornel, carrier... Jesus Christ.