Toronto FC: TFC Discussion Thread - MLS Cup FINAL Nov 10 3PM EST

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Amadeus

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If Seba leaves it will be sad. But to be honest, I hope Altidore and Bradley are next. Toronto has the funds to be able to restock, and have some of the best younger talent in the league.

We ultimately has 2 great seasons with this core. One that ended up in a championship. Fans came out, and MLSE saw that there is value in a winning team here in Toronto.

Wouldn't surprise me to see new players brought it replacing the players lost. Big players at that.

De Rossi (Italy)????

Yeah! Great player but if Toronto FC is not able to replace Seba with a comparable player if not better, they have themselves to blame. They've got more than enough money to lure a top notch player if they want to.
 

BlueForever75

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Funds received for Vasquez and Seba will be infused back into the team.

Having players like Osario, Haglund, Altidore, Bradley, Bono, Moor, Mavinga, Morrow, Delgado, Morgan, etc.. that is still a solid foundation. Acquire 2 players that replace Vasquez and Seba with their transfer funds received, you still have the makings of a solid team.

What exactly have Columbus or Atlanta had that were at Vasquez and Seba level???? Just players they acquired that were nobody's that turned into something.

Not all hope is loss that this cannot be the case for TFC!!!
 

al secord

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Outside of Vasquez, the greatest loss was GM Tim. Who knows what this new management group is capable of?

Maybe they'll have the stones to let Vanney go.
 

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Good to see that after winning the title and then going well beyond the achievements of any other MLS team in history in the champions league, that one year of poor regular season play didn't make everyone lose their minds. That'd be embarrassing.

TFC has strong funding and should be fine. Shifting the aging DP's out for fresh talent is necessary and is a positive if they can recruit effectively. Have to have some faith they will.
 
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Finnish your Czech

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To all the door and gloomers, supposing seba leaves, wouldn't tfc turn around and spend that money to be competitive again? Soccer clubs don't "rebuild" do they?
MLS is like a hybrid between traditonal NA structure and european soccer structure, so it's harder to just infuse more money in the team and be really good, but you can't really rebuild like you can in NA since the draft isn't very important, and the most important part of the team is the DP which is based on how much the team is willing to spend on a high end player.
 

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MLS is like a hybrid between traditonal NA structure and european soccer structure, so it's harder to just infuse more money in the team and be really good, but you can't really rebuild like you can in NA since the draft isn't very important, and the most important part of the team is the DP which is based on how much the team is willing to spend on a high end player.
So if the draft isn't important, and it's all about how much you spend on a dp, than rebuilding should be easy, especially considering tfc has some good core pieces?
 

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I'm not a big soccer fan at all so can anybody tell me a team or two that would be interesting to watch TFC play in the summer? I have no idea so I'm open to suggestions.
 

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So if the draft isn't important, and it's all about how much you spend on a dp, than rebuilding should be easy, especially considering tfc has some good core pieces?
The DPs are the most important, but the rest of the squad is also important, which is restricted by the cap/allocation money/max salaries, so youth squads and drafting affect that. But if TFC can find someone like Gio again then they would probably still be fine. Except that's not an easy task.
 

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How do you go get players of Vazquez and Gio's international skill level? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I still don't understand why did we sell Vazquez? I mean did we need the 10M transfer fee from Qatar? Did he want to leave? This is spiraling now.
 

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Hmm with only one more year on Gio contract why not just keep him and let it run it’s course UNLESS he does want to leave.
He probably wants to leave now. Other teams are interested. Toronto is selling clearly. As a striker you can't put up numbers unless someone gets you the ball. He sees 2 of our former best guys getting him the ball with skill gone and he goes what da f*ck. If he has a poor year then his value drops for his last contract. In fact he might not get another contract. Bradley is not a visionary with elite passing skills. He is a ball cruncher who can eat it and play the long game. But he is not going to make the quick move and slide a beauty to you for a quick strike goal.
 

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They made Gio an offer but lower than last contract. Probably pissed him/agent off. And agents offer they got was so low (2M euros) transfer fee they rejected it without any consideration. But do you think at 20M transfer fee they consider?
 

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Is a transfer fee basically purchAsing a player while under contract?

Have to think it’s the end of the road for him. Seems TFC made him an offer not to his liking.

Just a matter of time now?
 

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I hope they can sign Gio but it does not look good now. But when a guy feels like he was screwed over on the offer nothing good can come out of it. Manning better step up and give the guy same money at least. I mean the guy won us an MLS Cup. The transfer fee window is up very soon like this week. If you are getting offered 2M euros and you want 15M euros to buy another younger player well you better think again and put a better offer on the table. Gio Vazquez and Altidore are the team. Now we sold Vasquez. Better step up and buy another Vazquez.
 

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Is a transfer fee basically purchAsing a player while under contract?

Have to think it’s the end of the road for him. Seems TFC made him an offer not to his liking.

Just a matter of time now?
Yes, but the player and team have to agree on a new contract. So you can't just buy a player on a cheap contract and have him at for that low salary. It's why you don't hear as much about player salaries as much, since players pretty much get paid what they deserve (outside of edge cases like China and Saudi Arabia) and teams don't bother to sign long term contracts. (Because players will request a transfer if they are underpaid)
 

TMLeafer

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Not really sure why it came to this but listening to the chatter over the last couple of days it looked like it was going to happen. I'm not totally against it TBH as long as they spend the money on another star player. But doesn't the transfer window close tomorrow? He wasn't really terrific last season.
 
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