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ORRFForever

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...that defense is ok…
We had to make a move to a younger D and, for better or worse, the time is now.

Do I prefer previous teams with a D who were easy to pick/locks? Of course, but we won't know how good (or poor) this group can be without giving them a chance.
 

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We had to make a move to a younger D and, for better or worse, the time is now.

Do I prefer previous teams with a D who were easy to pick/locks? Of course, but we won't know how good (or poor) this group can be without giving them a chance.

Personally I’m not seeing how it’s weak, some of the best DMen on the league are on it, notable guys from Vegas and Colorado, two of the best teams in the league.
 

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Personally I’m not seeing how it’s weak, some of the best DMen on the league are on it, notable guys from Vegas and Colorado, two of the best teams in the league.
I'm didn't say it's weak. Just untested (internationally).
 

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I am thinking Shea Weber has a better chance than a lot of people are thinking.

They will need to have some real defensive-minded defensemen on the team. And he hasn't fallen off a cliff yet.

He also has tons of international experience, and won't allow pressure situations to cause him to make mistakes.

He is an absolute horse and beast in front of the net. This would be very valuable on the penalty kill.

I don't want 190-200 pound defensemen trying to contain some of the larger forwards other teams have in front of the net on the penalty kill.
 
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I am thinking Shea Weber has a better chance than a lot of people are thinking.

They will need to have some real defensive-minded defensemen on the team. And he hasn't fallen off a cliff yet.

He also has tons of international experience, and won't allow pressure situations to cause him to make mistakes.

He is an absolute horse and beast in front of the net. This would be very valuable on the penalty kill.

I don't want 190-200 pound defensemen trying to contain some of the larger forwards other teams have in front of the net on the penalty kill.
He really hasn't fallen off so... maybe.
 

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He really hasn't fallen off so... maybe.
He isn't what he was 10 (or even 5) years ago.

But when you can pick 8 defensemen, it wouldn't hurt to take a player like him.

Not only does he offer the experience, but he also offers a diverse skillset.

You don't want to take 8 defensemen who all play the same way. You need to take some specialists who are the best at what they do, in order to succeed in some specific types of situations.

For example, if you have Theodore on the team, do you really need to take Chabot and Rielly? I can see maybe one, but do you really need 3-4 defensemen who all play the exact same role?

You will need to have certain defensemen you lean on 5-on-5. Certain defensemen you lean on for PP. And certain defensemen you lean on for PK.

Not to mention breaking it down even further by offensive-zone faceoffs and defensive-zone faceoffs.

That is what made the 2010, 2014, and 2016 teams so successful. They picked those teams with every type of situation or scenario in mind, and picked the collection of players most suited to each unique circumstance.

With the depth of talent to choose from, this is a luxury Canada has.
 

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He isn't what he was 10 (or even 5) years ago.

But when you can pick 8 defensemen, it wouldn't hurt to take a player like him.

Not only does he offer the experience, but he also offers a diverse skillset.

You don't want to take 8 defensemen who all play the same way. You need to take some specialists who are the best at what they do, in order to succeed in some specific types of situations.

For example, if you have Theodore on the team, do you really need to take Chabot and Rielly? I can see maybe one, but do you really need 3-4 defensemen who all play the exact same role?

You will need to have certain defensemen you lean on 5-on-5. Certain defensemen you lean on for PP. And certain defensemen you lean on for PK.

Not to mention breaking it down even further by offensive-zone faceoffs and defensive-zone faceoffs.

That is what made the 2010, 2014, and 2016 teams so successful. They picked those teams with every type of situation or scenario in mind, and picked the collection of players most suited to each unique circumstance.

With the depth of talent to choose from, this is a luxury Canada has.
You've convinced me. :thumbu:
 

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No changes to my roster since the last time I posted it. This upcoming Vegas-Mtl series may just well determine the starting goaltender and if Weber gets himself a roster spot.

And @ORRFForever I don't want to read another Marner or Hamilton post. Your objection is duly noted.


S STAMKOS

C MCDAVID

B POINT

J HUBERDEAU

N MACKINNON

M SCHEIFELE

B MARCHAND

S CROSBY

P BERGERON

R O’REILLY

S COUTURIER

M STONE
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

M BARZAL M MARNER
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

S THEODORE

C MAKAR

D NURSE

A PIETRANGELO

T CHABOT

D DOUGHTY

S GIRARD

D HAMILTON
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


M.A. FLEURY

C PRICE

D KUEMPER
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 
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I like the forwards minus Laf - too young.
Squeeze in Scheifele/Toffoli/Stamkos instead.
No Marner or Tavares.

I like the D minus Ekblad and Rielly as extras.
Unless Ekblad takes a step up, we can do better.
As a Leaf fan, we can do better than Rielly.

Wasnt Ekblad playing amazing before he got injuried? Im not a Panthers fan, but i remember hearing lots on how great he was playing
 

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No changes to my roster since the last time I posted it. This upcoming Vegas-Mtl series may just well determine the starting goaltender and if Weber gets himself a roster spot.

And @ORRFForever I don't want to read another Marner or Hamilton post. Your objection is duly noted.

S STAMKOSC MCDAVIDB POINT
J HUBERDEAUN MACKINNONM SCHEIFELE
B MARCHANDS CROSBYP BERGERON
R O’REILLYS COUTURIERM STONE
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
M BARZAL M MARNER
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
S THEODOREC MAKAR
D NURSEA PIETRANGELO
T CHABOTD DOUGHTY
S GIRARDD HAMILTON
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
M.A. FLEURY
C PRICE
D KUEMPER
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Oh man...

Is that Marner and Hamilton I see?

If we bring those two "crackers", we'll go from the Gold Standard to the Bronze Standard in a blink.
 
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Oh man...

Is that Marner and Hamilton I see?

If we bring those crackers, we'll go from the Gold Standard to the Bronze Standard in a blink.


As of right now Marner is the 14th. forward and Hamilton the 8th, D-man, If you think Canada's gold medal aspirations are dependent on those two roster spots, on who the 14th. forward is and the 8 -d-man - you're lost.
 
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As of right now Marner is the 14th. forward and Hamilton the 8th, D-man, If you think Canada's gold medal aspirations are dependent on those two roster spots, on who the 14th. forward is and the 8 -d-man - you're lost.
Me : Can we bring Marner and Hamilton as the 15th forward and the 9th D-Man.

You : There is no 15th forwards or 9th D-Men.

Me : Exactly !!!
 
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Here are my personal considerations for the roster:
- take guys that are in their prime over guys with experience
- don’t take guys that haven’t thrived in the NHL playoffs
- game breaking talent is required to break through hot goaltenders (ie don’t overthink it with role players)
- international rules won’t allow for as physical of a game as the NHL playoffs and it’s on small NHL ice so go with a speed focused fast transition team like the Avs, Canes, or VGK
- each line needs to have 2 guys that can take faceoffs, ideally one left and one right
- put defensively responsible players on each line so you can just roll 4 lines (ie don’t concentrate them all on a checking line)
- neither Mcdavid nor Mackinnon are great defensively or face off savants so they both need to have an elite defensive player on their lines
- always go LH/RH on D unless you have a guy who always plays his off hand

You ideally just want wave after wave of fast puck recovery in the dzone, lightning fast transition up the ice, tenacious forechecking on each line, and game breaking skill at all 5 positions to hem in opposing teams on every shift.

Of course you also need some guys for special situations - dzone faceoffs, PK, defending a lead, so you need multifunctional players.


With all that said, here we go:
F1: Barzal - Mcdavid - Stone
F2: O’reilly - Mackinnon - Point
F3: Marchand - Crosby - Bergeron
F4: Huberdeau - Couturier - Scheifele
Extras: Stamkos, Marner

D1: Theodore - Pietrangelo
D2: Nurse - Makar
D3: Chabot - Ekblad
D4: Chychrun - Parayko


F1: Barzal provides another high speed rush option with Mcdavid, and an RH for 1 timers on the left wall and for faceoffs. Stone provides elite defensive play and playmaking and doesn’t need to be the puck carrier to be effective.

F2: ROR and Mackinnon know each other well and are friends. ROR has played wing, takes LH faceoffs in both zones and takes defensive responsibilities as center. Mackinnon takes RH faceoffs in the ozone and Point takes RH faceoffs in the dzone. Point can skate with Mackinnon and is also defensively sound, elite offensively, good in big moments, and used to playing off of other play-driving players. Both ROR and Point can be effective without the puck but are also good enough offensively to create space and opportunities for Mackinnon.

F3: Vet line with proven chemistry, good balance of skating, IQ, playmaking, scoring, and defense.

F4: You’ve got an LH and RH center, balanced mix of offense, defense, skating, size and IQ. This line could pin opponents well on the cycle rather than relying on the rush like the top two lines.

Extras: You take Stamkos and Marner in case you need different looks to get the PP going despite Marner’s bad playoff record. He would have very little individual pressure on a team like this. There are enough guys who can PK amongst the forwards, and Marner can too if needed.

If you play a team that’s got a really hot, top heavy offensive threat, you mix it up and just roll O’reilly - Couturier - Stone out there for 20 minutes and completely suffocate them.

D1: Keep Theodore and Pietrangelo together for familiarity from playing together in Vegas. APie plays the role of 1D for this team and eats the most minutes.

D2: Makar can play with anyone and Nurse provides physicality and size to balance out Makar’s weakness. Both can play in all situations. Nurse familiar with Mcdavid and Makar with Mackinnon.

D3/D4: you can convince me either way with these four guys but they give you a good mix of skating, size, offense, defense and physicality. I’d really like to see Parayko on the team as a defensive rock and PK option but it’s hard to not run Ekblad as a regular either. You’ve got two promising and skilled workhorse top pairing LHDs on the left and I’d rather use them than play another RHD out of position.

D1-6 the way it’s written would be absolutely elite in transition. Weber is too old and too slow now. Doughty, I leave off unless he plays too well to ignore to start the next season.

Goalies, you have no choice but to roll Price and Fleury.
 

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Here are my personal considerations for the roster:
- take guys that are in their prime over guys with experience
- don’t take guys that haven’t thrived in the NHL playoffs
- game breaking talent is required to break through hot goaltenders (ie don’t overthink it with role players)
- international rules won’t allow for as physical of a game as the NHL playoffs and it’s on small NHL ice so go with a speed focused fast transition team like the Avs, Canes, or VGK
- each line needs to have 2 guys that can take faceoffs, ideally one left and one right
- put defensively responsible players on each line so you can just roll 4 lines (ie don’t concentrate them all on a checking line)
- neither Mcdavid nor Mackinnon are great defensively or face off savants so they both need to have an elite defensive player on their lines
- always go LH/RH on D unless you have a guy who always plays his off hand

You ideally just want wave after wave of fast puck recovery in the dzone, lightning fast transition up the ice, tenacious forechecking on each line, and game breaking skill at all 5 positions to hem in opposing teams on every shift.

Of course you also need some guys for special situations - dzone faceoffs, PK, defending a lead, so you need multifunctional players.


With all that said, here we go:
F1: Barzal - Mcdavid - Stone
F2: O’reilly - Mackinnon - Point
F3: Marchand - Crosby - Bergeron
F4: Huberdeau - Couturier - Scheifele
Extras: Stamkos, Marner

D1: Theodore - Pietrangelo
D2: Nurse - Makar
D3: Chabot - Ekblad
D4: Chychrun - Parayko


F1: Barzal provides another high speed rush option with Mcdavid, and an RH for 1 timers on the left wall and for faceoffs. Stone provides elite defensive play and playmaking and doesn’t need to be the puck carrier to be effective.

F2: ROR and Mackinnon know each other well and are friends. ROR has played wing, takes LH faceoffs in both zones and takes defensive responsibilities as center. Mackinnon takes RH faceoffs in the ozone and Point takes RH faceoffs in the dzone. Point can skate with Mackinnon and is also defensively sound, elite offensively, good in big moments, and used to playing off of other play-driving players. Both ROR and Point can be effective without the puck but are also good enough offensively to create space and opportunities for Mackinnon.

F3: Vet line with proven chemistry, good balance of skating, IQ, playmaking, scoring, and defense.

F4: You’ve got an LH and RH center, balanced mix of offense, defense, skating, size and IQ. This line could pin opponents well on the cycle rather than relying on the rush like the top two lines.

Extras: You take Stamkos and Marner in case you need different looks to get the PP going despite Marner’s bad playoff record. He would have very little individual pressure on a team like this. There are enough guys who can PK amongst the forwards, and Marner can too if needed.

If you play a team that’s got a really hot, top heavy offensive threat, you mix it up and just roll O’reilly - Couturier - Stone out there for 20 minutes and completely suffocate them.

D1: Keep Theodore and Pietrangelo together for familiarity from playing together in Vegas. APie plays the role of 1D for this team and eats the most minutes.

D2: Makar can play with anyone and Nurse provides physicality and size to balance out Makar’s weakness. Both can play in all situations. Nurse familiar with Mcdavid and Makar with Mackinnon.

D3/D4: you can convince me either way with these four guys but they give you a good mix of skating, size, offense, defense and physicality. I’d really like to see Parayko on the team as a defensive rock and PK option but it’s hard to not run Ekblad as a regular either. You’ve got two promising and skilled workhorse top pairing LHDs on the left and I’d rather use them than play another RHD out of position.

D1-6 the way it’s written would be absolutely elite in transition. Weber is too old and too slow now. Doughty, I leave off unless he plays too well to ignore to start the next season.

Goalies, you have no choice but to roll Price and Fleury.

You and Gold Standard have the same 14 forwards, and it's also the group of 14 that I would go for right now. I agree with your comment regarding putting an elite defensive player on each line. Canada has Selke level forwards who can play wing (Bergeron, O'Reilly, Stone) and contribute offensively. It seems wasteful to not spread them out, especially when some of the key offensive forwards bring little defensively. I also like Couturier at centre to add yet another strong defensive line, as the group of defencemen doesn't look at strong defensively as it has been for a while now.
 

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I'm really curious to see what defense Canada ends up with. You can have too many smallish puck mover types. I think they need some size/jam to balance that out a bit.
 

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I'm really curious to see what defense Canada ends up with. You can have too many smallish puck mover types. I think they need some size/jam to balance that out a bit.

Parayko - 6'6" 230
Ekblad - 6'4" 215
Nurse - 6'4" 221
Pietrangelo - 6'3" 210
Theodore - 6'2" 195
Chabot - 6'2" 190
Doughty - 6'1" 202
Makar - 5'11" 187
Girard - 5’10” 170
 
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Here are my personal considerations for the roster:
- take guys that are in their prime over guys with experience
- don’t take guys that haven’t thrived in the NHL playoffs
- game breaking talent is required to break through hot goaltenders (ie don’t overthink it with role players)
- international rules won’t allow for as physical of a game as the NHL playoffs and it’s on small NHL ice so go with a speed focused fast transition team like the Avs, Canes, or VGK
- each line needs to have 2 guys that can take faceoffs, ideally one left and one right
- put defensively responsible players on each line so you can just roll 4 lines (ie don’t concentrate them all on a checking line)
- neither Mcdavid nor Mackinnon are great defensively or face off savants so they both need to have an elite defensive player on their lines
- always go LH/RH on D unless you have a guy who always plays his off hand

You ideally just want wave after wave of fast puck recovery in the dzone, lightning fast transition up the ice, tenacious forechecking on each line, and game breaking skill at all 5 positions to hem in opposing teams on every shift.

Of course you also need some guys for special situations - dzone faceoffs, PK, defending a lead, so you need multifunctional players.


With all that said, here we go:
F1: Barzal - Mcdavid - Stone
F2: O’reilly - Mackinnon - Point
F3: Marchand - Crosby - Bergeron
F4: Huberdeau - Couturier - Scheifele
Extras: Stamkos, Marner

D1: Theodore - Pietrangelo
D2: Nurse - Makar
D3: Chabot - Ekblad
D4: Chychrun - Parayko


F1: Barzal provides another high speed rush option with Mcdavid, and an RH for 1 timers on the left wall and for faceoffs. Stone provides elite defensive play and playmaking and doesn’t need to be the puck carrier to be effective.

F2: ROR and Mackinnon know each other well and are friends. ROR has played wing, takes LH faceoffs in both zones and takes defensive responsibilities as center. Mackinnon takes RH faceoffs in the ozone and Point takes RH faceoffs in the dzone. Point can skate with Mackinnon and is also defensively sound, elite offensively, good in big moments, and used to playing off of other play-driving players. Both ROR and Point can be effective without the puck but are also good enough offensively to create space and opportunities for Mackinnon.

F3: Vet line with proven chemistry, good balance of skating, IQ, playmaking, scoring, and defense.

F4: You’ve got an LH and RH center, balanced mix of offense, defense, skating, size and IQ. This line could pin opponents well on the cycle rather than relying on the rush like the top two lines.

Extras: You take Stamkos and Marner in case you need different looks to get the PP going despite Marner’s bad playoff record. He would have very little individual pressure on a team like this. There are enough guys who can PK amongst the forwards, and Marner can too if needed.

If you play a team that’s got a really hot, top heavy offensive threat, you mix it up and just roll O’reilly - Couturier - Stone out there for 20 minutes and completely suffocate them.

D1: Keep Theodore and Pietrangelo together for familiarity from playing together in Vegas. APie plays the role of 1D for this team and eats the most minutes.

D2: Makar can play with anyone and Nurse provides physicality and size to balance out Makar’s weakness. Both can play in all situations. Nurse familiar with Mcdavid and Makar with Mackinnon.

D3/D4: you can convince me either way with these four guys but they give you a good mix of skating, size, offense, defense and physicality. I’d really like to see Parayko on the team as a defensive rock and PK option but it’s hard to not run Ekblad as a regular either. You’ve got two promising and skilled workhorse top pairing LHDs on the left and I’d rather use them than play another RHD out of position.

D1-6 the way it’s written would be absolutely elite in transition. Weber is too old and too slow now. Doughty, I leave off unless he plays too well to ignore to start the next season.

Goalies, you have no choice but to roll Price and Fleury.
Terrific analysis.
 
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I'm really curious to see what defense Canada ends up with. You can have too many smallish puck mover types. I think they need some size/jam to balance that out a bit.
I agree but I don't think it's a problem.

Can you be more specific - a defensive line up where this will be an issue?
 
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With all that said, here we go:
F1: Barzal - Mcdavid - Stone
F2: O’reilly - Mackinnon - Point
F3: Marchand - Crosby - Bergeron
F4: Huberdeau - Couturier - Scheifele
Extras: Stamkos, Marner

D1: Theodore - Pietrangelo
D2: Nurse - Makar
D3: Chabot - Ekblad
D4: Chychrun - Parayko


D2: Makar can play with anyone and Nurse provides physicality and size to balance out Makar’s weakness. Both can play in all situations. Nurse familiar with Mcdavid and Makar with Mackinnon.
I'm not sure about O'Reilly on the 2nd line. I really like Stone, Reilly and Couturier on the 4th line. Still, you did a nice job.

I was just starting to buy into the idea of MacDavid and MacKinnon playing together and then you made a strong argument otherwise.

I worry about Nurse on the 2nd line with Makar. Are you sure Nurse is disciplined enough to stay home and let Makar get all the glory? Perhaps another rock solid D-Man would be better?
 
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The top 4 d-men will chew up almost 50 minutes a game so we need to get this right. I would rather have a rock solid D that does not give up goals - especially with a possible "weakness" in net.
 
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I'm really curious to see what defense Canada ends up with. You can have too many smallish puck mover types. I think they need some size/jam to balance that out a bit.

I'd bet that Armstrong thinks the same thing, and there is merit to it.
 

Peiskos

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What does your D lineup look like, JS?

I'm sure it's here somewhere so just humour me. :)

Ya I'm not understanding the questions about Canada's D being small, I listed their height and weight above, has to be both one of the biggest and best skating D cores out there.
 
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