Speculation: TDL (02/24) Discussion

[Fistfullofbeer]

Not sure if this needed its own thread but figured we should since a lot of discussion is going into the Roster thread.

Also, I was wondering if we are looking at moving Goodrow. I would like him back but with him having a career year and signed for a good contract for another season his value may be at an all time high.

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[Levie]

Yes to goodrow. The only players I think we can trade and be willing to part with are: Dillon, melker, goodrow, Dell, lebanc, Sorensen

Unrealistics/If we want a big rebuild: Burns, couture

Only if they want out: Thornton Marleau

 

[NWSharkie]

I'd be bummed if we traded Goody, but I've always had a soft spot for overacheiving grinders. The real question is, who are Couture's best friends on the team? Cuz those guys are gone for sure

 

[Nighthock]

Build this team around EK and Hertl. Trade everyone else, I don't care...

 

[Levie]

Also wild card is Meier. Dude just doesn't seem to care about hockey anymore/doesn't seem like he's part of the team.

Unfortunately he won't get good return so we have to hope he turns it around or we trade whoever he doesn't like.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Also wild card is Meier. Dude just doesn't seem to care about hockey anymore/doesn't seem like he's part of the team.

Unfortunately he won't get good return so we have to hope he turns it around or we trade whoever he doesn't like.

I don't get him either. His game just looks off. He is not playing physical or skating hard. But I believe it was JTR who posted some stats about him still being one of the better forwards from an advanced stats perspective. So I really don't know what to make of Meier.

This whole year is just been such a mess though, it may be better to hold-on to the talented/skilled guys like Meier to see how they perform next season. Just move anyone on an expiring contract.

 

[WSS11]

It’s not good but I think Labanc and Meier are both looking frustrated and disinterested due to the current state of the team. We need some decent roster turnover and a clean slate with a new coaching staff next year to rid the room of this stink

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Yep, that time of year. I think the following assets are / should be available: Dillon, Melker,
Sorensen, Heed, Noesen and most any of the AHL roster and prospects (e.g. Merkley). From this lets
hope for a 1st round pick this summer and a top line right winger. If Jumbo and Patty want to
try for a cup on a playoff team, move them. I'd try and move Vlasic. The rest of the team / contracts
are for the most part core players for and in which to build with.

I'm keeping Dell as he's the only NHL goalie we have anywhere, Goodrow is really having a break out
year and his contract is decent. I'd also keep LeBanc as he's a pretty good player. Keep Simek.

 

[one2gamble]

Trade everyone and move the team

 

[Gecklund]

Trade everyone and move the team

Move the team to Canada! Why does California get 3 teams? That’s not a good ole hockey state!

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yep, that time of year. I think the following assets are / should be available: Dillon, Melker,
Sorensen, Heed, Noesen and most any of the AHL roster and prospects (e.g. Merkley). From this lets
hope for a 1st round pick this summer and a top line right winger. If Jumbo and Patty want to
try for a cup on a playoff team, move them. I'd try and move Vlasic. The rest of the team / contracts
are for the most part core players for and in which to build with.

I'm keeping Dell as he's the only NHL goalie we have anywhere, Goodrow is really having a break out
year and his contract is decent. I'd also keep LeBanc as he's a pretty good player. Keep Simek.

I would be shocked if we do NOT have a 1st round pick in this draft. I would add Labanc and Dell to that list of players and take Merkley out. I doubt Merkley's value has anywhere to go but up.

My reasoning with Dell is simple.

1. He will most likely expect a raise next year.
2. We can always re-sign him as a UFA. Plus we will have more choices at a similar level.

My reasoning with Labanc is that I never see him better than a 3rd line player. An excellent one at that, but still a 3rd line player. That being said, I move Labanc only if its a really good return. And I am thinking 1st round pick +.

Between Labanc, Dillon, Melker, Dell I would expect to land a 1st round pick. Add our 2nd round pick there to move up to the 1st round as well.

Honestly, I would not be too surprised if we end up with 2 1st round picks in the draft.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I would be shocked if we do NOT have a 1st round pick in this draft. I would add Labanc and Dell to that list of players and take Merkley out. I doubt Merkley's value has anywhere to go but up.

My reasoning with Dell is simple.

1. He will most likely expect a raise next year.
2. We can always re-sign him as a UFA. Plus we will have more choices at a similar level.

My reasoning with Labanc is that I never see him better than a 3rd line player. An excellent one at that, but still a 3rd line player. That being said, I move Labanc only if its a really good return. And I am thinking 1st round pick +.

Between Labanc, Dillon, Melker, Dell I would expect to land a 1st round pick. Add our 2nd round pick there to move up to the 1st round as well.

Honestly, I would not be too surprised if we end up with 2 1st round picks in the draft.

I'm hoping for 5.

 

[Pistol Pete]

My goal/hope for the deadline is to move out quite a few players and to get a head start on next season. Picks are great, and the Sharks are certainly in need of more them. My concern is that the team is still fairly incompetent in their drafting ability. And since it sounds like teams are more guarded on moving picks, I’d target prospects and/or younger players with pedigree that haven’t worked out yet, I.E. “post hype” guys.

Dillon- a higher pick package (2nd & 3rd/4th) OR a blue chip forward prospect.
Melker- a mid-round pick OR “post hype” younger forward.
Dell- an earlier-mid round pick.
Sorensen- a late pick OR “post hype” younger forward.
Heed- a late conditional pick.
Gambrell- a swap for another younger, struggling player with some pedigree.
Thornton- a mid round pick, possibly with a condition.
Marleau- a mid round pick, possibly with a condition.
Labanc- a 2020 1st round pick OR a younger RFA goalie with starter potential.

Two deals I’d love to see that we’ve discussed and speculated around here.

-Backes and a 2020 1st for cap dump purposes and maybe a rental forward Melker/Sorensen.
-Burns (@$1m retained) to Dallas for a 2020 1st, Dellandrea, Cogliano, and Polak.

Burns is the one “core” player that I could see DW moving at the deadline. I think he still has value based on his contract, marketability, and league reputation. I could see Timo being moved, too, but given his lack of production this year and looming QO, I think he stays around to try and bounce back next year.

 

[themelkman]

My goal/hope for the deadline is to move out quite a few players and to get a head start on next season. Picks are great, and the Sharks are certainly in need of more them. My concern is that the team is still fairly incompetent in their drafting ability. And since it sounds like teams are more guarded on moving picks, I’d target prospects and/or younger players with pedigree that haven’t worked out yet, I.E. “post hype” guys.

Dillon- a higher pick package (2nd & 3rd/4th) OR a blue chip forward prospect.
Melker- a mid-round pick OR “post hype” younger forward.
Dell- an earlier-mid round pick.
Sorensen- a late pick OR “post hype” younger forward.
Heed- a late conditional pick.
Gambrell- a swap for another younger, struggling player with some pedigree.
Thornton- a mid round pick, possibly with a condition.
Marleau- a mid round pick, possibly with a condition.
Labanc- a 2020 1st round pick OR a younger RFA goalie with starter potential.

Two deals I’d love to see that we’ve discussed and speculated around here.

-Backes and a 2020 1st for cap dump purposes and maybe a rental forward Melker/Sorensen.
-Burns (@$1m retained) to Dallas for a 2020 1st, Dellandrea, Cogliano, and Polak.

Burns is the one “core” player that I could see DW moving at the deadline. I think he still has value based on his contract, marketability, and league reputation. I could see Timo being moved, too, but given his lack of production this year and looming QO, I think he stays around to try and bounce back next year.

I’ve really thought about the Backes deal but it just doesn’t make sense. With that 6 mil in salary we handcuff ourselves next year and won’t be able to get a new top six forward or goalie. And buying him out only gets us 2 mil off that

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I’ve really thought about the Backes deal but it just doesn’t make sense. With that 6 mil in salary we handcuff ourselves next year and won’t be able to get a new top six forward or goalie. And buying him out only gets us 2 mil off that

Yes it absolutely makes sense. You're getting a first round pick for $6M in cap space.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

I’ve really thought about the Backes deal but it just doesn’t make sense. With that 6 mil in salary we handcuff ourselves next year and won’t be able to get a new top six forward or goalie. And buying him out only gets us 2 mil off that

If we did this deal we'd need cap relief with is If it's part of the deal then we don't get the first as it lessens the value to the Bs. This kind of deal works for teams at the lower end of the cap range, etc.

 

[themelkman]

If we did this deal we'd need cap relief with is If it's part of the deal then we don't get the first as it lessens the value to the Bs. This kind of deal works for teams at the lower end of the cap range, etc.

Exactly. If we were commuting to a rebuild then 100% do it, but we arent. Doug is going to do whatever he can to get us back in it next year and that cap space will be critical

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Honestly, if Boston really is interested in Dillon, the team should be trying to kill two birds with one stone and trade Dillon to Boston in exchange for Backes, their 2020 1st, and a B prospect like Jack Studnicka.

 

[themelkman]

Not shocking at all but we had a scout at the Toronto Florida game. Both have been rumoured to be interested in Dillon at some point

 

[Friday]

Honestly, if Boston really is interested in Dillon, the team should be trying to kill two birds with one stone and trade Dillon to Boston in exchange for Backes, their 2020 1st, and a B prospect like Jack Studnicka.

This would be amazing

 

[fasterthanlight]

I'm down with moving Burns. Sad, but we committed to EK65, and, really, if you're building a team from scratch, you don't have both of them.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Honestly, if Boston really is interested in Dillon, the team should be trying to kill two birds with one stone and trade Dillon to Boston in exchange for Backes, their 2020 1st, and a B prospect like Jack Studnicka.

It needs to be a 3 way deal so as we don't take on Backes anymore than 1M in his cap hit. I don't
mind him on the roster as a 4th liner this / next season.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’ve really thought about the Backes deal but it just doesn’t make sense. With that 6 mil in salary we handcuff ourselves next year and won’t be able to get a new top six forward or goalie. And buying him out only gets us 2 mil off that

Really depends on what DW thinks he can or is going to do. If he already has had talks about a deal that moves Jones out or moving Burns out or if Vlasic asks out or whatever then he could devote 4 mil in next year's cap to get a 1st. DW shouldn't be splurging on free agency rather just making value bets. They have about 18 mil before any cap increase to use. It can be done depending on how much turnover DW really is going to do here and how badly he wants to get into the 1st round. I don't think he has to trade for Backes to make that happen because I think he can trade the 2nd he'll get from Dillon and the 2nd they have to move into the 1st round but is it going to be enough for them to get high enough to get one of the good players in this draft? I don't think so but we'll see.

 

[Internazionale]

Dillon is a hot commodity right now. Jets are on the verge of losing Byufglin and are said to be in Dillon as well. At least 7 teams in on him? That first round pick just might come via Dillon after all.

 

[Nolan11]

I’ve really thought about the Backes deal but it just doesn’t make sense. With that 6 mil in salary we handcuff ourselves next year and won’t be able to get a new top six forward or goalie. And buying him out only gets us 2 mil off that

If we look at it in a vacuum, bringing backs on does mess with next year's cap quite a bit. If it is part of other deals where we know we will be clearing other cap space (one of Jones, Vlasic, Couture or Burns) or have a LaBanc deal for another 1st and cost controlled prospect, it would make more sense. (Basically, if DW looks at 20-21 and knows we can afford the room).

Something along the lines of Backes + 1st + 2021 2nd for Dillon + Sorenson (saves us 1.5 M next year) would work cap-wise

Then turn around and trade LaBanc to a bubble team for their 1st.