They are still together no ? I think the sentence just after should make clearer what I meant:
Wouldn't that have to do with other stuff going on (Heiskanen, Robertson, etc.) rather than a simple "cause and effect"?
Could be, thus the I am not sure what their complete lack of team success mean, I was not watching out of the playoff western conference teams much around their time.
They were a last place, but not a tank team (picked 10th) in 2012-13 before Seguin got there. Those things take time, but they got to the postseason the next season in large part due to Seguin's addition.
Stars when to the playoff only 2 time from 2014-2019 (when Seguin was in his prime), won a single round of playoff.
He was still on the team when they went to the Finals, so a bit odd to cut off the Benn/Seguin era in order to say they never had playoff success. Just isn't fair, imo.
Wasn't that the year he played through a ton of injuries?
Stamkos did disappoint at certain times in his playoff past, but I think his status as a playoff no-show was partially cancelled by his '20 (well, one shift), '21, and '22 runs, which were fine: 20 goals and 38 points in 47 games isn't bad at all. He was third in team scoring both playoffs in '21 and '22 (if distantly, in the case of '21).
He is the worst playoff player of his generation. One shift in 2020 doesn't change that. This is old territory, but I'm not going to try to forgive him because of time decay. I saw every single shift of every single Steven Stamkos playoff game of his career...he's the worst playoff player of this generation. Someone would have to make a hell of a video package to try to convince me that he was a top 5 player on the Lightning in any of those runs.
Joe Thornton, played on stacked teams throughout his prime. They had everything to win it all, the issue was always Joe Thornton just wasn't good enough in the big series.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is legitimately concerned with Craig Adams and his playoff exploits. Relative to expectations, Stamkos is the worst for me. If Thornton is in his generation, maybe there's a conversation to he had...but they started playing like a dozen years a part...that's pushing it for a generation. If they are, gun to my head, I'll probably take the gun...but if I had to choose, probably Thornton. Though, I'd like to go back and refresh my memory on Stamkos' 2011 run just to he sure...
I'd assume that you mean worst in comparison to his regular season performance, or worst out of the star players of his generation, and the posters confusion is related to the claim that Stamkos is the worst playoff player of his generation in general.
Of course. Apologies if that doesn't go without saying on this board...
The way he played would make it easy for people to have a good for the playoff bias (and those great Olympics not much before).
Yeah it was really good no doubt. But for that to really be the only playoff highlight of his career, I don’t think it’s a reputation carrying performance as it became.
And they had good squad at the turn of the lock-out, they always lost to strong teams in those first rounds, Iginla scored at a really good playoff pace (14G-25pts in 26 games), but still always lost.
