GDT: TankTown Express, Next Stop NYC

[BleedBlue14]

its beyond .. we fell into a hole

Honestly I’m glad we lost. I’m sure you are too. I finally have clarity of what boat I’m in

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Honestly I’m glad we lost. I’m sure you are too. I finally have clarity of what boat I’m in

It's not a boat it's a train.

Please.... no more boats....

 

[Robb_K]

If we get a couple late 1sts for ROR and Tarasenko, I’d take a Dman there.

Of course! How Alzheimers of me to forget that the choices from this season's Deadline trades I, myself, proposed, could come from THIS Season's Draft!

 

[Blueston]

If we get a couple late 1sts for ROR and Tarasenko, I’d take a Dman there

Seems like that might be a reach. Really need to just focus bringing in best talent we can. If no d is worth that pick we shouldn’t force it.

 

[Mike Liut]

Seems like that might be a reach. Really need to just focus bringing in best talent we can. If no d is worth that pick we shouldn’t force it.

i think lots of the dman are falling to late rd 1 in the mocks I’ve seen. I’d definitely grab one there if we had extra 1sts

 

[Blueston]

i think lots of the dman are falling to late rd 1 in the mocks I’ve seen. I’d definitely grab one there if we had extra 1sts

We don’t tend to like D that high unless they are can’t miss. And I don’t know that any in that range will be. Most are under 6 ft too. I was on the size doesn’t matter that much train, but have come around that unless you are really really good it does. We have gotten away a bit from length on d and it’s been to our detriment.

 

[Frobbo]

Thomas, Kyrou, Snuggs, Bolduc, Neighbors and Alexandrov are a good start. Need to add more top end talent. Hopefully a top 7-8 pick this year and more picks / assets for our UFA’s.

Being honest, you don't have any idea what the team has in Snuggs, Bolduc, Neighbors and Alexandrov. JN hasn't exactly been a relevation and nobody is touting any of the others as sure things. The cupboard might be pretty bare.

 

[DoubleK81]

Kinda hard to believe that replacing Monty with MacT is that much of a difference maker.

But maybe it is.

I think you underestimate how terrible MacTavish is as a coach.

 

[joe galiba]

i think part of them problem is last year
we looked for quality shots over quantity, and passed up good shots for great ones
and were successful
it is a copycat league and teams spent all summer looking at what worked around the league and what didn’t
and if those things could work for them and how to defend against those things
the Blues are not adjusting because teams are taking the crosses away
we haven’t adjusted at all
it is like a football team running play action passes, but never actually runs the ball
no one is fooled

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I think you underestimate how terrible MacTavish is at everything he does

Let me fix that for you.....

 

[TheDizee]

ROR will net a 1st + shitty prospect

91 will net multiple picks, possibly 2 1sts if its likely a cup finalist team. he has the highest value here even though in a non trash year, ROR would.

49 will net you a 2nd for sure otherwise i flip him for propects. hes not worth the cost of anything more than 3rd line dollars and thats what hes gonna get for his fluke outburst last season. someone will overpay, sell sell sell

77 i trade for a bag of flaming hot cheetos

I also see if anyone will bite on either taking Kyrou, Krug and Binner's contracts. Move Saad or Schenn in offseason also if possible for picks.

Blues should aim for atleast 3 1st round picks in the 2023 draft and at least 2 2nds since they currently have 0 due to leddy trade. Looks like Detroit is gonna hose us again there, a high 2nd round pick for a middle d-man.

Whether they want to retool or rebuild at the draft is up to new GM. I think a retool can happen fast but only with the right picks being moved for the right players and possibly resigning someone like 91 when he hits free agency like they did with tkachuk and weight.

 

[Spektre]

If we get a couple late 1sts for ROR and Tarasenko, I’d take a Dman there

I highly doubt the Blues would but there’s 2 goalies projected to be 1st round picks. If we’re trading all the free agents to be I don’t know what keeps Army from putting almost everyone on the table.

The Blues right now are at best a fringe playoff team. Remove the UFA’s to be and it’s uglier. Keep Thomas and Kyrou and put everyone else on the market at least.

They’re most likely stuck with the Krug deal but plenty of teams would want Faulk & Parayko after the season. Maybe Krug waives if he knows the organization will rebuild.

It’s not hard to imagine getting a stockpile of 1st’s across multiple drafts if the team is really blown up. I don’t see why not try

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

It's not a boat it's a train.

Please.... no more boats....

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

ROR will net a 1st + shitty prospect

91 will net multiple picks, possibly 2 1sts if its likely a cup finalist team. he has the highest value here even though in a non trash year, ROR would.

49 will net you a 2nd for sure otherwise i flip him for propects. hes not worth the cost of anything more than 3rd line dollars and thats what hes gonna get for his fluke outburst last season. someone will overpay, sell sell sell

77 i trade for a bag of flaming hot cheetos

I also see if anyone will bite on either taking Kyrou, Krug and Binner's contracts. Move Saad or Schenn in offseason also if possible for picks.

Blues should aim for atleast 3 1st round picks in the 2023 draft and at least 2 2nds since they currently have 0 due to leddy trade. Looks like Detroit is gonna hose us again there, a high 2nd round pick for a middle d-man.

Whether they want to retool or rebuild at the draft is up to new GM. I think a retool can happen fast but only with the right picks being moved for the right players and possibly resigning someone like 91 when he hits free agency like they did with tkachuk and weight.

I dont see 91 getting more than ROR. ROR is proven playoff leader and I think the word is out on Tank being doggy doo doo and a one trick pony PP specialist but not one good enough to make up for losing DP57.

Regardless I still think the Blues turn it around and make the playoffs - possibly with a new coach though.

 

[Brockon]

Oh but barhabshev did the same thing and they did score a goal on it. Don't see you going after him. Kyrou has actually scored this game. What has Thomas. Schenn. Barbashev, Saad done this game?

Thomas, 1A, +2 and 46% FOW in 21:16

Kyrou, 1G 1A, -2, 2 PIMs, 3 SOG, 1 block, 1 Giveaway 19:31

Saad, 1A, -1, 1 SOG, 1 hit, 1 takeaway 14:46
Schenn 1A, -3, 3 SOG, 3 hits 18:54

Barby 1A, -2, 3 SOG, 1 hit, 2 Giveaways, 1 takeaway, 33% FOW 11:31

Not saying +/- is a perfect stat, but Thomas, Buch, Tarasenko, Parayko and Leddy were the only positive +/- tonight... Pitlick and Walker were an even 0. ROR, Schenn and Faulk were -3. It should be noted had the highest TOI and +/- of our forwards.

Thomas definitely overplayed a few pucks, forcing passes that weren't there, onto covered guys and instead of taking the lane to the net... But compared to the 3 questionable passes from prime shooting areas Kyrou made in the 3rd? I'm amazed Kyrou was only credited with 1 giveaway tonight...

Kyrou didn't play a good game tonight. Alot of the team didn't show up. I don't see how you're asking what Thomas did when his stat line looks better defensively which is a center's primary role while attempting to produce offence.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

yet another game where the other team scores 3 goals in one period

until that changes, we're gonna keep losing.. plain and simple

 

[Cotton McKnight]

Another game with no viable options to watch. It seems that was for the better again. This season is going by fast because of the games I've been forced to miss. At least the speculation about the future of the team is enjoyable!

 

[Sgt Schultz]

Another game with no viable options to watch. It seems that was for the better again. This season is going by fast because of the games I've been forced to miss. At least the speculation about the future of the team is enjoyable!

You didn't miss anything. I am out of market and don't see the team much, but it was on NHLN. The first period was lackluster on both sides. The Blues played a decent - good second period. I wish I would have missed the third period.

I don't think Binnington saw the first two goals (screens). The third was a deflection. The fourth was soft, although NHLN said it changed directions (I did not see a deflection/tip). The fifth was another deflection. The sixth was a turnover that led to a breakaway.

From my limited exposure, our defense went from letting guys open in prime scoring positions to not moving guys and allowing screens and deflections. I'm not sure which is worse.

Up 4-3 going into the third, they looked content to play in our own zone. It's not that we didn't attack, but we didn't sustain attacks. Most of the period our attacks were one and done. No killer instinct whatsoever when we entered the period with the lead.

It was a very frustrating period to watch. If you could just watch the second period you'd feel pretty good about the direction of things. The first would have put you to sleep and the third might have you throwing things, even if you are not inclined to throw things.

 

[UnSandvich]

Rangers fan coming in peace

i miss Buch

 

[Blueston]

Rangers fan coming in peace

i miss Buch

I get it. Quite a player. He is one of our few bright spots this season.

 

[Spicy Panger]

Rangers fan coming in peace

i miss Buch

yeah i bet, he's been one of the very few bright spots for us

edit: jinx Blueston lol

 

[Brian39]

They’re most likely stuck with the Krug deal but plenty of teams would want Faulk & Parayko after the season. Maybe Krug waives if he knows the organization will rebuild.

It’s not hard to imagine getting a stockpile of 1st’s across multiple drafts if the team is really blown up. I don’t see why not try

I'm not sold that any of Faulk, Parayko, Krug, Schenn, or Binner would return anything near a 1st round pick.

Max Pacioretty had 19 goals and 37 points in 39 games last year and reutnred literally nothing over the summer because of his $7M AAV.

Bjorkstrand had 28 goals and 57 points last year and he returned a 3rd and a 4th because he had 4 years left at $5.4M AAV.

Burns had 10 goals and 54 points last year and San Jose had to retain $2.72M of his $8M AAV for the next 3 years in order to get back a 4th liner and a 3rd.

Those are 3 guys who genuinely contributed last year but had no (or extremely limited) trade value because of their contracts. None of them had the term or robust trade protection of any of those 5 guys listed above. The receiving team took on less AAV in two of the three deals and Carolina only took on $500k of additional AAV even though Patches only had 1 more year remaining on the deal. We're talking about guys with 4+ seasons at $6.5M AAV. That's a noticeably larger cap commitment than any of the above 3 good players.

Cap space is enormously valuable in the NHL and it is going to remain that way for another year. Even if they hit their revenue projections and we are done with the flat cap, a $5M jump isn't going to erase the cap crunch in one offseason. If we are able to move those guys, it is very likely that the only thing we get back is cap space and middling assets. I would buy that Parayko could return good assets, but the rest will return very little right now or this summer.

 

[Blueston]

I'm not sold that any of Faulk, Parayko, Krug, Schenn, or Binner would return anything near a 1st round pick.

Max Pacioretty had 19 goals and 37 points in 39 games last year and reutnred literally nothing over the summer because of his $7M AAV.

Bjorkstrand had 28 goals and 57 points last year and he returned a 3rd and a 4th because he had 4 years left at $5.4M AAV.

Burns had 10 goals and 54 points last year and San Jose had to retain $2.72M of his $8M AAV for the next 3 years in order to get back a 4th liner and a 3rd.

Those are 3 guys who genuinely contributed last year but had no (or extremely limited) trade value because of their contracts. None of them had the term or robust trade protection of any of those 5 guys listed above. The receiving team took on less AAV in two of the three deals and Carolina only took on $500k of additional AAV even though Patches only had 1 more year remaining on the deal. We're talking about guys with 4+ seasons at $6.5M AAV. That's a noticeably larger cap commitment than any of the above 3 good players.

Cap space is enormously valuable in the NHL and it is going to remain that way for another year. Even if they hit their revenue projections and we are done with the flat cap, a $5M jump isn't going to erase the cap crunch in one offseason. If we are able to move those guys, it is very likely that the only thing we get back is cap space and middling assets. I would buy that Parayko could return good assets, but the rest will return very little right now or this summer.

last summer there was no market for $ with term. this summer is likely to be tough too. but there is no hurry to deal those guys unless you want to use their money for something else next year or you think they are on terminal decline already and want to get out of their contracts before others catch on. so i would listen on any of them (or anyone over 25), but don't sell short on top players. i know people hate to hear that we need to be patient, but we do. at some point everyone becomes moveable.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm not sold that any of Faulk, Parayko, Krug, Schenn, or Binner would return anything near a 1st round pick.

Max Pacioretty had 19 goals and 37 points in 39 games last year and reutnred literally nothing over the summer because of his $7M AAV.

Bjorkstrand had 28 goals and 57 points last year and he returned a 3rd and a 4th because he had 4 years left at $5.4M AAV.

Burns had 10 goals and 54 points last year and San Jose had to retain $2.72M of his $8M AAV for the next 3 years in order to get back a 4th liner and a 3rd.

Those are 3 guys who genuinely contributed last year but had no (or extremely limited) trade value because of their contracts. None of them had the term or robust trade protection of any of those 5 guys listed above. The receiving team took on less AAV in two of the three deals and Carolina only took on $500k of additional AAV even though Patches only had 1 more year remaining on the deal. We're talking about guys with 4+ seasons at $6.5M AAV. That's a noticeably larger cap commitment than any of the above 3 good players.

Cap space is enormously valuable in the NHL and it is going to remain that way for another year. Even if they hit their revenue projections and we are done with the flat cap, a $5M jump isn't going to erase the cap crunch in one offseason. If we are able to move those guys, it is very likely that the only thing we get back is cap space and middling assets. I would buy that Parayko could return good assets, but the rest will return very little right now or this summer.

You can probably even extend it to guys like Tarasenko that wasn't moved because the offers were probably like the ones you listed, or Buchnevich that we got for Blais and a 2nd because he was a RFA that required a deal like Bjorkstrand's.