Sportsnet: Talking Calder last night.

[WTFMAN99]

Werenski-Marner
Laine
Matthews

That is how I have it now, although if Matthews stays hot for a few games he can overtake Laine.

If Werenski and Marner fade for a bit, Matthews can pass them as well.

It's only like 1/4 of the way through the season.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Maybe matthews will teach the skeptics to trust the advanced stats.

because he crushes laine in the advanced stats.

crushes.

I kind of knew that from reading posts but I'm just waiting for someone to post the exact numbers so i can quietly smirk when i hear Laine is better again. Matthews is on pace to fire 308 shots. Thats because he is basically unstoppable on the cycle and in traffic game down low. I don't even know who the last player was that came away with so many pucks down low like he does. Its crazy the way he wins pucks all the time.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

NHL Goal Leaders

1) Crosby .... 14
2) Laine ..... 12
2) OV ......... 12

NHL Rookie scoring leaders

1) Laine ....... 18
2) Matthews .. 16
2) Marner ...... 16

The panel simply picked the leader at the moment and Laine has 2 X hattricks already.

My money is on Matthews before this done.

They don't put up a sniff of advanced stats to strengthen their case because they know it would weaken it.

 

[theIceWookie]

The Leafs hate and bias was disgusting, Friedman included. They unanimously at sportsnet pick Laine. B.S. I call. McLean likes anyone not Leafs and Darren Mallard was fine.

So anyways, this is not even close to all Laine like they are promoting.

Come on, I love our guys as much as any Leaf fan but it's hard to give them a tough time for picking Laine.

Until last night the guy was leading the League is goals at pretty much the quarter point of the season. That's impressive. And he was leading rookies in points.

Sure he's not as complete as maybe Matthews or Marner, but he's still very clearly affecting the game in a positive way for his team.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Seems to me like he's the favourite, doesn't mean he's the best or most deserving.

Unlike many others I haven't seen him or any of the others play extensively.

Honestly I couldnt care less if one of our players don't win the calder.

I would suggest some people watch the jets play sometime. Idk if i caught a bad stretch of games at the end of long schedule or something but Laine looks tired/disengaged a lot of times throughout the game. I watch Matthews and its the complete opposite. He's engaged in all zones, driving possession, out muscling veterans on the puck. The difference between the two when they arent scoring is night and day.

I will concede though, and say that I've only see him play 5 times this year so I wouldnt put too much weight into that. One of those was also the leafs game where he was quiet for most of the night and then absolutely torched us in the 3rd though..

 

[Mess]

They don't put up a sniff of advanced stats to strengthen their case because they know it would weaken it.

Calder voting has never been based on advanced stats but rather most points and sometime most points by the more difficult position.

I remember being angry when Wendel Clark was robbed of the Calder because the voters gave it to Gary Suter of the Flames because he was a Dman. During his first season in Toronto in 1985-86, he scored 34 goals and 45 points while spending 227 minutes in the penalty box however he finished second in the rookie of the year voting for the Calder Trophy to Calgary defenseman Gary Suter.

Laine the sniper verses Werenski the Dman reminded me of this yesterday.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Come on, I love our guys as much as any Leaf fan but it's hard to give them a tough time for picking Laine.

Until last night the guy was leading the League is goals at pretty much the quarter point of the season. That's impressive. And he was leading rookies in points.

Sure he's not as complete as maybe Matthews or Marner, but he's still very clearly affecting the game in a positive way for his team.

Laine has 1 goal in his last eight games. Teams are covering him better now. It looks like he is in a slump! You don't hear that right. I love Matthews game bro. He's better than Laine from what i have seen. I have center ice and watch all different teams. I hope Willy,Auston and Mitch finish 123 in rookie scoring is all.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Laine has 1 goal in his last eight games. Teams are covering him better now. It looks like he is in a slump! You don't hear that right. I love Matthews game bro. He's better than Laine from what i have seen. I have center ice and watch all different teams. I hope Willy,Auston and Mitch finish 123 in rookie scoring is all.

Werenski is going to need to fall off a cliff or suffer a pretty big injury not to be in the top 3.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Calder voting has never been based on advanced stats but rather most points and sometime most points by the more difficult position.

I remember being angry when Wendel Clark was robbed of the Calder because the voters gave it to Gary Suter of the Flames because he was a Dman. During his first season in Toronto in 1985-86, he scored 34 goals and 45 points while spending 227 minutes in the penalty box however he finished second in the rookie of the year voting for the Calder Trophy to Calgary defenseman Gary Suter.

Laine the sniper verses Werenski the Dman reminded me of this yesterday.

Damn, you're old

 

[zeke]

I kind of knew that from reading posts but I'm just waiting for someone to post the exact numbers so i can quietly smirk when i hear Laine is better again. Matthews is on pace to fire 308 shots. Thats because he is basically unstoppable on the cycle and in traffic game down low. I don't even know who the last player was that came away with so many pucks down low like he does. Its crazy the way he wins pucks all the time.

I'll compare the IMO 7 standout rookies so far:

Zone and Score Adjusted Stats

Corsi For %

1. Matthews 54.5% (+5.8rel)
2. Nylander 54.2% (+5.1rel)
3. Werenski 52.0% (+4.5rel)
4. Konecny 51.2% (+1.4rel)
5. Marner 47.5% (-4.2rel)
6. Vesey 46.8% (-1.9rel)
7. Laine 43.7% (-7.5rel)

Fenwick For %

1. Matthews 54.5% (+6.8rel)
2. Nylander 53.6% (+5.3rel)
3. Konecny 51.0% (-0.3rel)
4. Werenski 50.6% (+3.9rel)
5. Marner 47.0% (-4.0rel)
6. Vesey 46.2% (-4.2rel)
7. Laine 43.5% (-7.8rel)

Shots For %

1. Matthews 53.8% (+6.6rel)
2. Werenski 53.6% (+8.5rel)
3. Nylander 52.1% (+4.3rel)
4. Konecny 49.6% (-1.4rel)
5. Marner 46.6% (-3.6rel)
6. Vesey 43.4% (-7.5rel)
7. Laine 40.2% (-10.2rel)

Scoring Chances For %

1. Nylander 57.5% (+4.7rel)
2. Matthews 56.4% (+3.2rel)
3. Vesey 53.0% (-3.2rel)
4. Marner 53.0% (-1.6rel)
5. Werenski 52.0% (+3.7rel)
6. Laine 40.8% (-10.1rel)
7. Konecny 40.5% (-2.3rel)

Expected Goals For %

1. Matthews 54.3% (+3.0rel)
2. Nylander 54.1% (+2.5rel)
3. Marner 51.6% (-1.3rel)
4. Werenski 50.5% (+4.2rel)
5. Vesey 50.3% (-4.4rel)
6. Konecny 45.3% (+0.5rel)
7. Laine 42.0% (-9.2rel)



To be completely honest - Laine has kind of been a disaster so far, and only an unsustainable shooting percentage is making him look good.

 

[doorman]

Actually for my money the Calder this year if he keeps it up is going to Matt Murray. Can't believe nobody has brought up his name. I hope Matthews, Marner and Nylander all give him a run for his money, but his numbers are amazing, GP 7, 6-1 record 1.58 GAA and a .945 save %, will play more as season goes on as he was injured.

 

[nsleaf]

Sometimes those hateful, biased media type idiots have pretty sound opinions unless it's negative towards the Leafs of course.

 

[zeke]

Actually for my money the Calder this year if he keeps it up is going to Matt Murray. Can't believe nobody has brought up his name. I hope Matthews, Marner and Nylander all give him a run for his money, but his numbers are amazing, GP 7, 6-1 record 1.58 GAA and a .945 save %, will play more as season goes on as he was injured.

good call. forgot he was a rookie.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Calder voting has never been based on advanced stats but rather most points and sometime most points by the more difficult position.

I remember being angry when Wendel Clark was robbed of the Calder because the voters gave it to Gary Suter of the Flames because he was a Dman. During his first season in Toronto in 1985-86, he scored 34 goals and 45 points while spending 227 minutes in the penalty box however he finished second in the rookie of the year voting for the Calder Trophy to Calgary defenseman Gary Suter.

Laine the sniper verses Werenski the Dman reminded me of this yesterday.

Matthews is a decent shooter himself. He is tied for third in the league for shots but the other players are on far better teams than him and get more icetime. Burns,Ovechkin lead him by a handful and Tarasenko is tied with him.

These shots are eventually going to translate into more goals for him. Just the fact being that his shots are in high quality scoring position is another thing that bodes well for him. Most importantly though Mess, under all that scrutiny he never changed his game and never cheated offensively. So level headed play for a 19 year old rookie center.

 

[doorman]

Damn, you're old

LOL, I remember that, spent a better part of the next decade saying wait til Wendel's back when he was injured.

 

[zeke]

Calder voting has never been based on advanced stats but rather most points and sometime most points by the more difficult position.

this here is something said only by those who don't understand what advanced stats say about likely production going forward.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Werenski is going to need to fall off a cliff or suffer a pretty big injury not to be in the top 3.

He is right in there. What a pick.

 

[Schenn]

Werenski is the leader for me so far but Laine is close too. There is a lot of hockey to be played though. I'm not really to concerned about Calder voting yet. OP is just being a drama queen. Hardly "disgusting".

 

[thewave]

this here is something said only by those who don't understand what advanced stats say about likely production going forward.

Your stats mostly suggest that Werenski will take this thing.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I'll compare the IMO 7 standout rookies so far:

Zone and Score Adjusted Stats

Corsi For %

1. Matthews 54.5% (+5.8rel)
2. Nylander 54.2% (+5.1rel)
3. Werenski 52.0% (+4.5rel)
4. Konecny 51.2% (+1.4rel)
5. Marner 47.5% (-4.2rel)
6. Vesey 46.8% (-1.9rel)
7. Laine 43.7% (-7.5rel)

Fenwick For %

1. Matthews 54.5% (+6.8rel)
2. Nylander 53.6% (+5.3rel)
3. Konecny 51.0% (-0.3rel)
4. Werenski 50.6% (+3.9rel)
5. Marner 47.0% (-4.0rel)
6. Vesey 46.2% (-4.2rel)
7. Laine 43.5% (-7.8rel)

Shots For %

1. Matthews 53.8% (+6.6rel)
2. Werenski 53.6% (+8.5rel)
3. Nylander 52.1% (+4.3rel)
4. Konecny 49.6% (-1.4rel)
5. Marner 46.6% (-3.6rel)
6. Vesey 43.4% (-7.5rel)
7. Laine 40.2% (-10.2rel)

Scoring Chances For %

1. Nylander 57.5% (+4.7rel)
2. Matthews 56.4% (+3.2rel)
3. Vesey 53.0% (-3.2rel)
4. Marner 53.0% (-1.6rel)
5. Werenski 52.0% (+3.7rel)
6. Laine 40.8% (-10.1rel)
7. Konecny 40.5% (-2.3rel)

Expected Goals For %

1. Matthews 54.3% (+3.0rel)
2. Nylander 54.1% (+2.5rel)
3. Marner 51.6% (-1.3rel)
4. Werenski 50.5% (+4.2rel)
5. Vesey 50.3% (-4.4rel)
6. Konecny 45.3% (+0.5rel)
7. Laine 42.0% (-9.2rel)



To be completely honest - Laine has kind of been a disaster so far, and only an unsustainable shooting percentage is making him look good.

Wow thanks bro! Now i can just agree and say "yeah ok" and smirk away. What a triple threat of rookies we have, holy ****.

 

[ACC1224]

Honestly I couldnt care less if one of our players don't win the calder.

I would suggest some people watch the jets play sometime. Idk if i caught a bad stretch of games at the end of long schedule or something but Laine looks tired/disengaged a lot of times throughout the game. I watch Matthews and its the complete opposite. He's engaged in all zones, driving possession, out muscling veterans on the puck. The difference between the two when they arent scoring is night and day.

I will concede though, and say that I've only see him play 5 times this year so I wouldnt put too much weight into that. One of those was also the leafs game where he was quiet for most of the night and then absolutely torched us in the 3rd though..

The people voting don't watch the players every night either. They go on highlights, stats and in some cases the perceived favourite.

Calder voting has never been based on advanced stats but rather most points and sometime most points by the more difficult position.

I remember being angry when Wendel Clark was robbed of the Calder because the voters gave it to Gary Suter of the Flames because he was a Dman. During his first season in Toronto in 1985-86, he scored 34 goals and 45 points while spending 227 minutes in the penalty box however he finished second in the rookie of the year voting for the Calder Trophy to Calgary defenseman Gary Suter.

Laine the sniper verses Werenski the Dman reminded me of this yesterday.

Clark was robbed.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Actually for my money the Calder this year if he keeps it up is going to Matt Murray. Can't believe nobody has brought up his name. I hope Matthews, Marner and Nylander all give him a run for his money, but his numbers are amazing, GP 7, 6-1 record 1.58 GAA and a .945 save %, will play more as season goes on as he was injured.

Oh **** yeah, i forgot about Matt too.

 

[zeke]

Your stats mostly suggest that Werenski will take this thing.

look at my first post in the thread.

 

[ObscureAlien]

Zach Werenski would get my vote if the vote were today. Laine won't win it.

 

[Mess]

Damn, you're old

I was around already when Davey Keon was winning the Calder in 1961.

So I'm very excited by the fact Leafs have 3 contenders for the Calder this year.