Sterling Archer
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Player Discussion Suzuki vs Kotkaniemi
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Maybe it’s just me, but I’d take a D who can move the puck, run the PP, is almost a PPG player, and a + player. Yep, take that guy all day long. Exactly what MTL needs on D.
Runs the pp He’s great at that I’ll take a dman who gets 60-70 pts a year over Kotkaniemi
He woulda looked amazing next to Weber or chairot or Edmundson
It’s not just you I’ll take him any day You pair him with your best d Man It’s just logical
I know, who wants a PPG puck moving defenceman?? Nah, I’ll take a awkward poor skating 3/4c!!
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I'm so happy KK is gone. I don't have to hear so much about his elusive "potential" anymore.
So would have a different GM...................its a sad game we can play there.....
Onward and upwards guys....
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Let's be real, KK is not a bust just because of the Habs, we reached by picking him early and brought him up too early.
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Or... they would've been wrecked.
That's the problem with the way the club has been run. We haven't been able to develop our way out of a paper bag. The Canadiens are a notoriously conservative organization and it's cost us in terms of the players we've produced.
I was talking with somebody not long ago about Wickenheiser vs Dennis Savard. We did a piss poor job on a blue chip player who never should've busted and meanwhile Savard went onto fortune and glory in Chicago. But can any of us imagine Savard under Jacques Lemaire? Do you think he'd have been dipsy doodling under him? No way...
I'm not defending one pick over another btw. Hughes has done really well and there's no way based on the results that anyone wouldn't call him a rising star. But Caufield was can't miss too and we were playing him on the 4th line... If CC didn't get fired he'd still be there now.
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Thing is though, we consistently ensure that players don't reach their potential. Maybe Leblanc was never going to make it for example but we made SURE he wouldn't.
Going forward I think we'll see a marked improvement in our prospect pool. I expect we'll pay a lot more attention to analytics and player development. It'll be better... if nothing else, I don't see how it could be any worse.
You’re right, he’s a bust because he is still the same flawed player that they drafted. 3c at 3ova is a bust.
Or... they would've been wrecked.
That's the problem with the way the club has been run. We haven't been able to develop our way out of a paper bag. The Canadiens are a notoriously conservative organization and it's cost us in terms of the players we've produced.
I was talking with somebody not long ago about Wickenheiser vs Dennis Savard. We did a piss poor job on a blue chip player who never should've busted and meanwhile Savard went onto fortune and glory in Chicago. But can any of us imagine Savard under Jacques Lemaire? Do you think he'd have been dipsy doodling under him? No way...
I'm not defending one pick over another btw. Hughes has done really well and there's no way based on the results that anyone wouldn't call him a rising star. But Caufield was can't miss too and we were playing him on the 4th line... If CC didn't get fired he'd still be there now.
Nope, both were better players with more refined skill sets. KK was a project that should never have been picked 3ova.
If KK is a bust what would you call a player like Barrett Hayton(#5) or Vitali Kravtsov(#9)???? KK may never become a elite center. He is still a decent nhl player.
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I'm okay with that assessment.
But my point still stands. I don't think Hughes does in Montreal what he did in Vancouver. I think he would've been stunted here.
I'd take CC over any of them and he was middling away until we fired the coach. Imagine if he'd come in at KK's time instead. It would've been that way for two plus years...
Agreed. "Bust" is overdoing it for a guy who should at least be a solid 3rd line center for years.
It's not. You've got a good chance at a top six player in the top five but it's far from guaranteed. An everyday player is not a bust.
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Nope you are wrong You can’t stunt a PP QB It’s literally impossible unless you don’t play him
He woulda got his points regardless who coached
Yea he wouldn’t have red Weber beauty passes You’re right…..
Nope, a player picked 3rd overall that might become a 3c is a bust. There is no sugar coating it.
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And I'd have said you couldn't stunt a player like CC... but we did. Fortunately we got rid of the old regime in time to save him.
As for not being able to ruin a blueliner... that's just so far off the mark. It'd be even worse. Under the old regime, he'd have been benched for making mistakes. That leads to confidence problems which leads to more mistakes and less icetime. We saw it over and over again here.
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Not much of a debate these days!
Instead this thread has just become who should we have drafted @ 3.
My damn hindsight machine's not working though
Instead this thread has just become who should we have drafted @ 3.
My damn hindsight machine's not working though
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Carolina signed KK tontjatbdeal as a replacement for Jordan Staal and in tje hopes he will become a 50+ point guy.
KK signed that 8 year deal because he knows he will never get paid more because he knows he's reached his ceiling.
KK signed that 8 year deal because he knows he will never get paid more because he knows he's reached his ceiling.
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Sounds great... In the regular season. Hughes would get crucified in the playoffs as a top pair D. He's have to sheltered a lot
I don’t think a top 5 is a sure thing first liner. However, a maybe 3c isn’t a successful 3ova selection not matter how hard anyone tries to sell it.
KK was a horrible pick, plain and simple. Anyway, I’m glad he’s gone, the org can put that turd behind them.
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Try again. Teams need PMD D who can run a PP to get into the playoffs and be successful once they get in. Hughes only PO he had 16pts in 17 games and was -2. This team needs a guy like this badly.
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