Post-Game Talk: Survey says...

[Winger98]

It's also possible that Jurco's growth was stunted by playing in the NHL too soon leading to him now being a healthy scratch most nights,

I think the bigger problem with Jurco is his apparent back problems. Dude is, what, 22? And his back is already giving him trouble... .

You completely misunderstand. Mrazek would have been sitting. What value is that.

what sucked about Mrazek's development course is that he seemed to spend half the season riding the pine in Detroit anyway because our goalies couldn't stay healthy. the only halfway decent number of games he got in GR was his first season. After that, he might have gotten more games if he had been Howard's primary backup.

 

[ap3x]

Couldn't see the game, but glad they finally pulled out that win. What a beauty pass by Petr the great and excellent execution by Goose.
Keep it up and get us the next two points on Tuesday.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

People said the same thing to me at the start of the 2013-14 season when I said Mrazek, Sheahan, Nyquist, Jurco should be on the team. I also wanted Sproul on that squad and who knows, maybe he would have actually developed under Babcock.

That season when Z and Pav were injured and all those "depth" guys people said deserved spots over guys like Nyquist added absolutely nothing. It wasn't until the guys who "weren't ready for the men's league" were added to the roster that we actually nailed down a roster spot. If they weren't added to the team the playoff streak was over.

Mrazek should have been competing with Howard for the starter's spot since that 2013-14 season.

Thought he should have been up over Gustavsson as he almost shut out a St Louis Blues team in his 1st game. Made some great saves in that game as well.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

It's also possible that Jurco's growth was stunted by playing in the NHL too soon leading to him now being a healthy scratch most nights, that Nyquist doesn't ever find his current form without starting that season in Grand Rapids, that Mrazek could have had his confidence shattered completely by being rushed in the NHL duty too soon, that Sheahan would have developed more of an offensive game playing in the AHL and that those "depth" guys would also have gotten us to the playoffs and with their veteran experience might have led us to a cup.

The baseless speculation game is fun.

Nobody knows if Mrazek or any of the other players would be better or worse if they were put on another development path. Pretending to know otherwise is foolish regardless of your opinion.

Mrazeks confidence doesn't get shattered no matter what. He could have 5 games where he allows 50 goals but he still thinks he will get a shutout the next game

 

[Pavels Dog]

Mrazek should have been competing with Howard for the starter's spot since that 2013-14 season.

Why stop there? Clearly we have not had elite goaltending in a long time. Mrazek should have been up with the big club after 2009, taking over after Osgood.

Clearly if he is playing well now he could have done so 5 years ago too.

 

[Actual Thought*]

The thing to watch for is how well Larkin does centering his own line. Z had great production with Larkin on his line; does that continue with them split up on separate lines?

Z is the least of our worries at this point. I think the way he is playing he will produce no matter who his linemates are. If he goes down the wheels will come off.

 

[Konnan511]

Mrazek has as many or more points than:
Drew Miller
Mike Green
Jakub Kindl
Jonatho Ericsson
Darren Helm
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
Luke Glendening
Danny Dekeyser

 

[Actual Thought*]

Mrazek has as many or more points than:
Drew Miller
Mike Green
Jakub Kindl
Jonatho Ericsson
Darren Helm
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
Luke Glendening
Danny Dekeyser

That shouldn't be surprising given the way the team plays. Besides individual efforts by Z and Larkin the goalies have been the only bright spot.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Mrazek has as many or more points than:
Drew Miller
Mike Green
Jakub Kindl
Jonatho Ericsson
Darren Helm
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
Luke Glendening
Danny Dekeyser

want to know what sad, at the end of the year he could possibly have more points then

Drew Miller
Jakub Kindl
Jonathan Ericsson
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
And maybe Glenden

lol

 

[Actual Thought*]

want to know what sad, at the end of the year he could possibly have more points then

Drew Miller
Jakub Kindl
Jonathan Ericsson
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
And maybe Glenden

lol

After the fire sale that might be our roster.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

After the fire sale that might be our roster.

Mrazeks going to be the best goalie in franchise history if Holland ever does trade away Nyquist/Tatar and then Datsyuk or Z retire in the next 1/2 years

Most goals this season: Mrazek
Most points this season: Mrazek
Most wins this seaon: Mrazek

 

[Actual Thought*]

Mrazeks going to be the best goalie in franchise history if Holland ever does trade away Nyquist/Tatar and then Datsyuk or Z retire in the next 1/2 years

Most goals this season: Mrazek
Most points this season: Mrazek
Most wins this seaon: Mrazek

I am so frustrated as a fan of this team. I can't remember having so little confidence in them.

 

[DanZ]

That shouldn't be surprising given the way the team plays. Besides individual efforts by Z and Larkin the goalies have been the only bright spot.

Nyquist has been great after the first couple of games. Scoring goals and at key times as well. Abdelkader has been playing his role well, screening the goalie perfectly for the game tying goal against Vancouver. A lot of people had doubts about him this season but he's had an even better start than last year.

want to know what sad, at the end of the year he could possibly have more points then

Drew Miller
Jakub Kindl
Jonathan Ericsson
Joakim Andersson
Landon Ferraro
And maybe Glenden

lol

I don't see how that's sad. They are a bunch of fourth liners and bottom-pairing defensemen. Every team has those players. If they score it's a bonus, not something that should be relied upon.

Even then, Mrazek would be lucky to outscore even one of them.

 

[Retire91]

Why stop there? Clearly we have not had elite goaltending in a long time. Mrazek should have been up with the big club after 2009, taking over after Osgood.

Clearly if he is playing well now he could have done so 5 years ago too.

Mrazek could have handled the jump to the NHL a lot earlier and the process of moving Howard could have started a lot earlier as a result. Holland: set oven to 250 degrees and take out after 4-5 years. It was fun watching Gus though when he was hot. If that guy could ever stay healthy he could really challenge for a spot at top 10 IMO.

Its really exciting to see a goalie with elite potential in the net. I have not had the fortune of seeing a young elite goalie in their prime with the wings and look forward to it if Mrazek gets there. (don't consider Osgood elite, Hasek wasn't young/prime)

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't see how that's sad. They are a bunch of fourth liners and bottom-pairing defensemen. Every team has those players. If they score it's a bonus, not something that should be relied upon.

Even then, Mrazek would be lucky to outscore even one of them.

Mrazek is scoring at the same rate as most of the Anaheim Ducks and a ton of other players.

We do need a little more secondary scoring but at least Nyquist, Tatar and Pulkkinen are chipping in. Helm and Sheahan need to step up however.

 

[Flowah]

Mrazek is scoring at the same rate as most of the Anaheim Ducks and a ton of other players.

We do need a little more secondary scoring but at least Nyquist, Tatar and Pulkkinen are chipping in. Helm and Sheahan need to step up however.

Helm was lackluster in terms of production even when playing with Tatar and Datsyuk while both of those guys produced at a pretty good clip. Helm may be a good forechecker and battler for the puck, but he lacks the offensive instincts to produce much at the NHL level. Now he's playing with Sheahan and Glendening. If you get .4PPG from him that's a good season. More than likely you're looking at 20-30 points over 82 games if he continues on that line.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Helm was lackluster in terms of production even when playing with Tatar and Datsyuk while both of those guys produced at a pretty good clip. Helm may be a good forechecker and battler for the puck, but he lacks the offensive instincts to produce much at the NHL level. Now he's playing with Sheahan and Glendening. If you get .4PPG from him that's a good season. More than likely you're looking at 20-30 points over 82 games if he continues on that line.

He's usally at least more noticeable and able to create some chances even if he doesn't bury them. So far this season he's been completely invisible.

 

[Retire91]

Mrazek is scoring at the same rate as most of the Anaheim Ducks and a ton of other players.

We do need a little more secondary scoring but at least Nyquist, Tatar and Pulkkinen are chipping in. Helm and Sheahan need to step up however.

Yeah Helm is not going to provide secondary scoring its just not his game. His stick is where offense goes to end that is why it was so rediculous he was in the top 6. So long Babcock.

 

[Laser Rayzor]

From Khan:

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 1h1 hour ago
Wings filing onto ice for practice. Datsyuk is skating. If he stays it will be his first practice with team this season.

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 1h1 hour ago
Green, Quincey and Richards not skating

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 38m38 minutes ago
Datsyuk has left midway through his first practice. Expected time frame likely still mid-November.

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 32m32 minutes ago
Same lines:
Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Nyquist
Tatar-Larkin-Pulkkinen
Helm-Sheahan-Glendening
Miller-Andersson/Ferraro/Jurco

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 31m31 minutes ago
Same D pairs:
Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Marchenko
Smith-Kindl

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Green still isn't back. So that top line goes back into bottom 10 of all the top lines

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Nyquist has been great after the first couple of games. Scoring goals and at key times as well. Abdelkader has been playing his role well, screening the goalie perfectly for the game tying goal against Vancouver. A lot of people had doubts about him this season but he's had an even better start than last year.



I don't see how that's sad. They are a bunch of fourth liners and bottom-pairing defensemen. Every team has those players. If they score it's a bonus, not something that should be relied upon.

Even then, Mrazek would be lucky to outscore even one of them.

They're not good if they can't score at all. Considering they def aren't Nick Lidstrom.

So yeah that would be pretty sad if a goalie outproduces skaters. Niemi is probably outproducing all of Anaheim right now.

 

[ap3x]

**** that...

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Missing two defenseman and we still aren't calling up Jensen or XO yet. What gives with this guy?

 

[DanZ]

They're not good if they can't score at all. Considering they def aren't Nick Lidstrom.

So yeah that would be pretty sad if a goalie outproduces skaters. Niemi is probably outproducing all of Anaheim right now.

They are bottom-pairing defensemen and fourth liners.

 

[Laser Rayzor]

Missing two defenseman and we still aren't calling up Jensen or XO yet. What gives with this guy?

They must not think XO or Jensen are an upgrade over the 5 regulars and I guess Marchy is being given first dibs on the chance to grab his cheese.